Rebor v Papo

[petebuster1]

I'd love to know if Papo and Rebor share a sculptor. The styles are remarkably similar, with the similarities between the Rebor Yutyrannus and Papo Allosaurus being particularly obvious (as has been pointed out a number of times already). Rebor figures have a superior paint finish and certain details are finer (especially teeth), and there figures are a little larger, but Papo have a significant price advantage.
The 'different markets' argument made by suspsy is a fair one. Rebor are deliberately setting themselves up as rivals to, if not Sideshow, then e.g. the Favorite resins, which are better researched but not as vividly detailed (and slightly more expensive). Papo's figures are toys, and they aren't pretending they're anything else.
But if I had to pick a winner? For now...Papo. But we need to wait for Rebor to bring a few more figures out.

Agree they similar in some respects and i'm not putting papo down they are great quality but i think Rebor have the superior paint work and worth the extra i don't think they're expensive for what your getting,( SS is what you call expensive) if you look at both i think thats clear, i think they've improved with the utahraptor from what i've seen and i think they will only get better. Great models for the future i'm sure

[Dobber]

I'd love to know if Papo and Rebor share a sculptor. The styles are remarkably similar, with the similarities between the Rebor Yutyrannus and Papo Allosaurus being particularly obvious (as has been pointed out a number of times already). Rebor figures have a superior paint finish and certain details are finer (especially teeth), and there figures are a little larger, but Papo have a significant price advantage.
The 'different markets' argument made by suspsy is a fair one. Rebor are deliberately setting themselves up as rivals to, if not Sideshow, then e.g. the Favorite resins, which are better researched but not as vividly detailed (and slightly more expensive). Papo's figures are toys, and they aren't pretending they're anything else.

^^This^^

I agree, and would also add that since Rebor does make that extra claim that Papo does not, it has opened them up to the extra scrutiny....and honestly.....rightly so. It also doesn't mean that Papo and other manufactures aren't scrutinized for their errors either.

I do get what petebuster is saying about the paint work and agree. I have posted pictures of shoddy work on Papo's apparent "Crown Jewel" the Allosaurus, and have seen several like it so it's not like it is an abnormality. In fact it makes me think that the later production runs look like mine and the early ones are the nice ones. Now if the Allosaurus's continued with the excellent paint work that they had originally, that would be a completely different story.

IMO, it really just boils down to what is important to you as an individual. Since I was burned by the Allosuarus, TWICE, I find a little bit of extra cost is worth it to have a very well painted model/toy...whatever you want to call it....and so far REBOR is keeping with the quality paint work. PAPO apparently CAN be hit or miss. Like I said earlier, if Papo could deliver the good paint work more consistently, or...to be fair....REBOR's paint quality slips.....then I would find the cost of Papo to be more important....as BOTH companies play it fast and loose with scientific accuracy, IMO.

Chris

[Concavenator]

Papo's crown is not the Allosaurus...but the Archaeopteryx and the Dimetrodon.Watch out for the next two,the Apatosaurus,and Tupuxuara to become another stellar pieces.

[REBOR_STUDIO]

We have read some of the comments, first of all we want to say that we do respect Papo, Safari, Collecta and all other dinosaur replica manufactures. It's a great thing for fans and collectors to have more than one choice.

"Yutyrannus would be Y.huali,not Y-Rex  I was just being ironic,I knew it,but I'm tired of people saying Y.rex.Why not saying Y.argestes?After all,Yutyrannus is a relative of Lythronax isn't it?Oh,come on it's so annoying."

"Y-rex" is the nickname of our Yutyranuus which has no scientific value, same as we call our Utahraptor "Wind Hunter".

"Interesting note: I just showed that first comparison photo to a friend and told her that one dinosaur was twice as expensive as the other. She guessed that it was the one on the left. My two cents? REBOR uses marketing, packaging, and artificial rarity/exclusivity in order to get away with silly prices."

"Why are they two different things other than the price tag?"

Since our Yutyrannus is used to compare with Papo's Allosaurus, if you own the Allosaurus replica, you can tell that the main body is built by several parts: 2 forelimbs, 2 legs, head and body, in this way they can avoid designing complicated and expensive molds, also time and cost of injection moulding can be reduced, resulting lower manufacturing costs of their products, however the disadvantage of this method is leaving noticeable gaps on the replica such as the one between head and neck; the body of Yutyrannus is constructed into one piece leaving no gap on the replica to ruin details of the original sculpture, to achieve this, large, complicated and very expensive steel mold must be used, also the time of injection moulding process is increased significantly.  To help you understand the difference: to design and construct mold of Allosaurus would cost lower than 2000 Pounds, the mold of Yutraynnus cost 7000 Pounds; the mold of Papo running T-rex costs around 4000 Pounds, the mold of REBOR King T-rex weighted as 3 tons and cost 15,500 Pounds. It is the resources that we've spent and manufacturing techniques that applied on our products set the price apart. Vehicles from different manufactures can also look similar to each other yet we can all understand and accept the price difference.

As for the packaging, we're not trying to get away "silly prices" with it, in fact packaging has increased the "dimensional weight" of our products, resulting the storage costs and shipping fees increased significantly, we even have to share the shipping fees with our retailers. However we won't cancel this tradition because it is an attitude.

As for the argument of "toy or statue", REBOR's products are simply dinosaur replicas, to children they are toys, to adult collectors they are statues and collectibles. Believe nor not the official website of Sideshow is actually "www.sideshowtoy.com" Also Hottoys' products are both toys and high end collectibles, it really depends on how you want to call it.

We are a group of dinosaur enthusiasts just like you and it's not our intention to cause any trouble or argument on this forum, we deeply apologise for any inconvenience or misunderstanding that caused by us.

Peterbuster1, we are honoured that we deserve a fan like you We hope all fans, collectors and manufactures can work together to make dinosaur collectibles mean something again!

[Dobber]

Papo's crown is not the Allosaurus...but the Archaeopteryx and the Dimetrodon.Watch out for the next two,the Apatosaurus,and Tupuxuara to become another stellar pieces.

I said the Allosaurus since it was the one being refrenced often in this thread. I agree that the Tupuxuara and Apatosaurus look really good too....will have to wait and see how they actually look in hand, though before I'd say one way or the other about them....which is kind of the point to my post.  . Getting both of them regardless lol   

Chris

[Concavenator]

Rebor,it's good to see you post more.Good thing you explained yourselves well.Okay.Sorry for my too harsh comments,really.

[Dobber]

Thanks for posting REBOR...too often people forget the costs involved in actually making these things. Your products are very well crafted and different from a lot of other replicas....ie...minimal seems and such.

As you said we are all Dinosaur enthusiasts and sometimes we can all let our passion and opinions get the best of us and forget that also can forget that we are talking to PEOPLE and not just a company or screen name.

Hope you continue to post...it's always nice to hear from a manufacture....May I suggest you guys do an Allosaurus of your own? I'd buy it! 

Chris

[REBOR_STUDIO]

Thanks for posting REBOR...too often people forget the costs involved in actually making these things. Your products are very well crafted and different from a lot of other replicas....ie...minimal seems and such.

As you said we are all Dinosaur enthusiasts and sometimes we can all let our passion and opinions get the best of us and forget that also can forget that we are talking to PEOPLE and not just a company or screen name.

Hope you continue to post...it's always nice to hear from a manufacture....May I suggest you guys do an Allosaurus of your own? I'd buy it! 

Chris

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex  You can't imagine what we have prepared for fans and collectors this year!

[REBOR_STUDIO]

Rebor,it's good to see you post more.Good thing you explained yourselves well.Okay.Sorry for my too harsh comments,really.

Don't worry about it

[CityRaptor]

  That would be a rather big Sauropod for a rather low price. I suggest going for proper Sauropod feet to begin with, not elephantine feet...

[Patrx]

Hello, REBOR! Great to hear some input from you guys. Thanks for explaining the differences in manufacturing techniques, that does go a long way toward justifying the price tags. Generally, I've not found the separate parts of Papo's dinosaurs very distracting except in cases where the paint is poorly applied. Perhaps one day I will actually purchase a REBOR figure and make a comparison of my own As I've mentioned in other threads, I am indeed a sucker for fancy boxes and the like. I look forward to your future products, even if none of your current dinosaurs appeal to me.

Edit: I must second the advice of "CityRaptor". A big, accurate sauropod would be a major seller!

[Horridus]

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex  You can't imagine what we have prepared for fans and collectors this year!

While you guys are here...do you consult any scientists while developing your products? I mention this because I know a number of people who would do this, if not for free, then at least at a reasonable rate - and also because, if just a little more scientific fidelity was applied to your sculpts, your products would be pretty much untouchable in their price bracket.

[kreativtek]

Thanks for posting REBOR...too often people forget the costs involved in actually making these things. Your products are very well crafted and different from a lot of other replicas....ie...minimal seems and such.

As you said we are all Dinosaur enthusiasts and sometimes we can all let our passion and opinions get the best of us and forget that also can forget that we are talking to PEOPLE and not just a company or screen name.

Hope you continue to post...it's always nice to hear from a manufacture....May I suggest you guys do an Allosaurus of your own? I'd buy it! 

Chris

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex  You can't imagine what we have prepared for fans and collectors this year!

Oh my god! If that's true, I will need to feed my wallet better so it can grow big and strong. Thanks for posting, Rebor. I look forward to seeing your giant statue.

[John]

Papo vs. rebor? There's so far only one species in common between the two so far,Tyrannosaurus rex for which I have to say I prefer Rebor's.
As for variety,it's going to be hard to choose just one over the other when both have at least one of my favorites of all from childhood,Styracosaurus albertensis from Papo and an upcoming Ceratosaurus nasicornis from Rebor.(Or C. dentisulcatus based on the skeletal in Rebor's preview,which may or may not be the same as C. nasicornis,depending on which specialists you ask.)

[REBOR_STUDIO]

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex  You can't imagine what we have prepared for fans and collectors this year!

While you guys are here...do you consult any scientists while developing your products? I mention this because I know a number of people who would do this, if not for free, then at least at a reasonable rate - and also because, if just a little more scientific fidelity was applied to your sculpts, your products would be pretty much untouchable in their price bracket.

We have everything we need, however we must also consider the acceptance of the general public, at least for now.

[Dobber]

Thanks for posting REBOR...too often people forget the costs involved in actually making these things. Your products are very well crafted and different from a lot of other replicas....ie...minimal seems and such.

As you said we are all Dinosaur enthusiasts and sometimes we can all let our passion and opinions get the best of us and forget that also can forget that we are talking to PEOPLE and not just a company or screen name.

Hope you continue to post...it's always nice to hear from a manufacture....May I suggest you guys do an Allosaurus of your own? I'd buy it! 

Chris

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex  You can't imagine what we have prepared for fans and collectors this year!

Wow! I very much look forward to seeing what you have in store. 

Chris

[Horridus]

We have everything we need, however we must also consider the acceptance of the general public, at least for now.

Sod the general public, what do they know? Seriously though, I don't think the relatively minor tweaks that a consultant would suggest would impede the 'mass appeal' of your sculpts that much. Plus, as I said, they'd be untouchable. Maybe once you've established yourselves a bit?

[Patrx]

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex  You can't imagine what we have prepared for fans and collectors this year!

While you guys are here...do you consult any scientists while developing your products? I mention this because I know a number of people who would do this, if not for free, then at least at a reasonable rate - and also because, if just a little more scientific fidelity was applied to your sculpts, your products would be pretty much untouchable in their price bracket.

We have everything we need, however we must also consider the acceptance of the general public, at least for now.

For now, eh? Does this mean we might see more up-to-date dinosaurs at some future point? In any case, I'd like to think that the general public is more open to current dinosaur science than it seems!

[petebuster1]

We have read some of the comments, first of all we want to say that we do respect Papo, Safari, Collecta and all other dinosaur replica manufactures. It's a great thing for fans and collectors to have more than one choice.

"Yutyrannus would be Y.huali,not Y-Rex  I was just being ironic,I knew it,but I'm tired of people saying Y.rex.Why not saying Y.argestes?After all,Yutyrannus is a relative of Lythronax isn't it?Oh,come on it's so annoying."

"Y-rex" is the nickname of our Yutyranuus which has no scientific value, same as we call our Utahraptor "Wind Hunter".

"Interesting note: I just showed that first comparison photo to a friend and told her that one dinosaur was twice as expensive as the other. She guessed that it was the one on the left. My two cents? REBOR uses marketing, packaging, and artificial rarity/exclusivity in order to get away with silly prices."

"Why are they two different things other than the price tag?"

Since our Yutyrannus is used to compare with Papo's Allosaurus, if you own the Allosaurus replica, you can tell that the main body is built by several parts: 2 forelimbs, 2 legs, head and body, in this way they can avoid designing complicated and expensive molds, also time and cost of injection moulding can be reduced, resulting lower manufacturing costs of their products, however the disadvantage of this method is leaving noticeable gaps on the replica such as the one between head and neck; the body of Yutyrannus is constructed into one piece leaving no gap on the replica to ruin details of the original sculpture, to achieve this, large, complicated and very expensive steel mold must be used, also the time of injection moulding process is increased significantly.  To help you understand the difference: to design and construct mold of Allosaurus would cost lower than 2000 Pounds, the mold of Yutraynnus cost 7000 Pounds; the mold of Papo running T-rex costs around 4000 Pounds, the mold of REBOR King T-rex weighted as 3 tons and cost 15,500 Pounds. It is the resources that we've spent and manufacturing techniques that applied on our products set the price apart. Vehicles from different manufactures can also look similar to each other yet we can all understand and accept the price difference.

As for the packaging, we're not trying to get away "silly prices" with it, in fact packaging has increased the "dimensional weight" of our products, resulting the storage costs and shipping fees increased significantly, we even have to share the shipping fees with our retailers. However we won't cancel this tradition because it is an attitude.

As for the argument of "toy or statue", REBOR's products are simply dinosaur replicas, to children they are toys, to adult collectors they are statues and collectibles. Believe nor not the official website of Sideshow is actually "www.sideshowtoy.com" Also Hottoys' products are both toys and high end collectibles, it really depends on how you want to call it.

We are a group of dinosaur enthusiasts just like you and it's not our intention to cause any trouble or argument on this forum, we deeply apologise for any inconvenience or misunderstanding that caused by us.

Peterbuster1, we are honoured that we deserve a fan like you We hope all fans, collectors and manufactures can work together to make dinosaur collectibles mean something again!

Your welcome and very happy you've taken part its amazing how comments have changed since you participated, i hope this reduces  the silly comments including my share lol after all we're all dino nuts and you've brought a great new collection to the table

[suspsy]

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex  You can't imagine what we have prepared for fans and collectors this year!

While you guys are here...do you consult any scientists while developing your products? I mention this because I know a number of people who would do this, if not for free, then at least at a reasonable rate - and also because, if just a little more scientific fidelity was applied to your sculpts, your products would be pretty much untouchable in their price bracket.

We have everything we need, however we must also consider the acceptance of the general public, at least for now.

I don't believe the general public would be turned off by scientific accuracy, if that's what you're concerned about. It certainly hasn't been that way for Safari and CollectA.