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JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

Started by dragon53, March 30, 2018, 06:46:59 PM

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SRF

Quote from: Takama on March 19, 2022, 01:38:39 PM
My Ranking of the Films?

The EXACT ORDER THEY WERE RELEASED IN

Because I dont understand why JP3 is considered worse then wacky Owen near the Lava :)), or SMIILING INDORAPTOR ::), not to mention when you consider the worst scene in JP3 (IMO) was just a Freaky Dream sequence when all those scens in JWFK took place IN REAL LIFE.

I can live with the T. Rex vs Spino fight and dream sequence in JP3 or even with the impossibilities concerning lava in JWFK. The reason JP3 is the worst movie of them all for me is because that movie brings nothing to the overall story. What also bugs me is that you never get the feeling that JP3 takes place on the same island as TLW. It has made the franchise a confusing mess at that point.

But mostly I feel that if JP3 had been a movie that contributes to the overall story, the franchise wouldn't be dead and buried for 14 years.
But today, I'm just being father


Willaim bratton

#1001
They've( the Jurassic world franchise) been getting worse and worse with each iteration. That's my opinion.  Jurassic Park is a fine film,
I wished it was closer to the book myself( as it butchered certain characters & missed what they represent I.E. Hammond), the effects looked good ( besides certain raptor scenes),as was the story & script  . The Tyrannosaurus, Dilophosaurus and velociraptor weren't ( and still aren't) accurate, as they where intentionally monsterized & made inaccurate  inorder to basically  " brand them " as JP designs  for merchandise & to prevent bootlegging ( which happened anyway). The other dinosaurs also had inaccuracies that where added I.E. elephant feet ,pronated arms,& inaccurate nostril placement but nowhere near as much as Roberta or the Dilophosaurus. The lost World was kinda a mess with a disconnected story line ,iffy character writing, and I just found it boring in general.  The special effects hit a peak here though with both animatronics and CGI,give or take some weird CGI shots of the bull rex that look weird. Ingeneral, it was worse than the original.  Jurassic Park Three was a train wreck but atleast entertaining, the writing, characters and story where ridiculously disconnected,idiotic & far too fast paced. The Spinosaurus killing Tyrannosaurus thing was completely idiotic & inaccurate even then,and started the irritating trend of having Tyrannosaurus downplayed & consistently made weaker then( & killed by) other Giant therapods that are actually far weaker in bite force. The special effects where hit and miss: The velociraptor Animatronics & CG looked fantastic ( the best of the franchise), while the Spinosaurus' CGIooked like plastic, and the Animatronic : like rubber.  I'll give credit to Johnson for caring more about accuracy then previous ( and future films ) ever did : Especially with atleast trying to feather the raptors( though head quills don't cut it,full body feathering is the way to go)and update thier skull to better resemble thier fossil counterparts. All that progress was tossed out the window,  with Trevorow tweating " No feathers " in 2015 , pertaining to his " Jurassic world ": and somehow actually making the original designs even more inaccurate than they where before : not just because of the lack of feathers but also because of the reversal of the more Velociraptorine skull ,removal of pubic boot, somehow breaking the wrists even more . With the  exception of Blue( the one design that actually looks good), all the animal designs look significant worse  than the originals , and the new animal designs are uninspired ( don't resemble the JP asthetic), inaccurate ( bastardized beyond recognition)and repetitively crocodilian ( in animals that shouldn't be  I.E. Therapods,mososaurs and pterosaurs). The CGI is pretty poor & unfinished looking  ,the script is wack ,full of idiotic pseudoscience nonsense, the characters are stereo types and the story is again  disconnected.  I originally liked said film but in recent years have grown to find it generic, badly done and unoriginal: but atleast watchable and somewhat entertaining( in a B movie sort of way). Fallen Kingdom was a whole new level of awful; trash story writing, trash script, trash characters, idiotic lava sequences that defy reason,  laughably bad action scenes, butchered new species designs( ugh ,that Baryonyx was terrible), bad special effects and cringe plot points & humor.  The only things good about Fallen Kingdom( which ironically describes the entire JW franchise) was the Indoraptor design, and the fact that Mattel gave us a fantastic figure line ( and the Amber & Hammond collection). Battle at Big Rock was better than either FK or JW, in accuracy,design, special effects, acting and writing . Its the only good thing Trevorow's made.The Jurassic World Dominion Prolog  was the worst of the worst,especially so because Trevorow was so incompetent_ that he knowingly lied about accuracy ( selling inaccurate designs like that abomination that is Giganotosaurus in name only & the half assed so called
" accurate " Tyrannosaurus ,he knew full well where inaccurate as accurate) and was idiotic enough to toss animals from different continents & different time periods ,_ in the same place in the Cretaceous.  The only things actually accurate was the quetz and Moros,everything else was trash & pretty badly animated trash at that. Dominion's looking to be even worse,with even poorer CGI,worse & even more idiotic action scenes, even more nostalgia bait, more dumb designs and not to mention Trevorow's dishonesty  in regard to the new species being " accurate "  yes,he feathered the Pyroraptor but he butchered that too,via exposing the hands which isn't how maniraptoran wings work. The long remiges should attach to the second digit, the hand itself being feathered / hidden/ feused to the wing as in modern birds, only the tips should show. Dominion's Pyroraptor is just another inaccurate wrist wing, and don't even get me started on the unrecognizable & horribly inaccurate,  uninspired, exaggerated Giganotosaurus😒. Again, downplaying Tyrannosaurus and making it loose to a far weaker therapod . I have no interest in Trevorow's uninspired waste product, the sooner Universal tosses Trevorow out the better

suspsy

Yeah, I've said that about JP3 before. You could erase it from existence and memory completely and no one and nothing would be worse off. It contributes precisely zilch to the overall story arc and as it stands, it underperformed so badly that it effectively killed the franchise for over a decade. It's as forgettable and pointless as Superman Returns or the last Fantastic Four movie.
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Libraraptor

#1003
My opinion: "Dino Park" by Michael  Crichton really sucked me in from the very first second. The cinema in my head while I was reading this book has never been excelled, not even by the movie "Jurassic Park" itself, which to me is the one and only valid movie in this whole franchise. All the other movies  in this line were crap. This was my totally unasked for opinion about JP and I won't be posting here again.

Willaim bratton

Quote from: Libraraptor on March 19, 2022, 08:00:37 PM
My opinion: "Dino Park" by Michael  Crichton really sucked me in from the very first second. The cinema in my head while I was reading this book has never been excelled, not even by the movie "Jurassic Park" itself, which to me is the one and only valid movie in this whole franchise. All the other movies  in this line were crap. This was my totally unasked for opinion about JP and I won't be posting here again.
I agree with your opinion

SRF

Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 19, 2022, 04:31:37 PM
I have no interest in Trevorow's uninspired waste product,

Your rant proves otherwise.  ::) I think you put way too much energy in a movie franchise you clearly don't like for about 25 years already.
But today, I'm just being father

JohannesB

#1006
Sorry if this goes too much off-topic. I was underwhelmed by the Lost World: Jurassic Park (except for the music by John Williams, which is fascinating). I was just confused and disappointed by JPIII. The Jurassic World movies made me facepalm. (The same kind of decline happened to Star Trek since "Star Trek: Generations", but possibly even more abrupt.) I have no hopes for "Dominion", really.

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Willaim bratton

Quote from: SRF on March 20, 2022, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 19, 2022, 04:31:37 PM
I have no interest in Trevorow's uninspired waste product,

Your rant proves otherwise.  ::) I think you put way too much energy in a movie franchise you clearly don't like for about 25 years already.
I ranted because I'm displeased with what this franchise has become, it needs to die off

Mellow Stego

Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 20, 2022, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: SRF on March 20, 2022, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 19, 2022, 04:31:37 PM
I have no interest in Trevorow's uninspired waste product,

Your rant proves otherwise.  ::) I think you put way too much energy in a movie franchise you clearly don't like for about 25 years already.
I ranted because I'm displeased with what this franchise has become, it needs to die off

I understand you're displeased with the franchise and that's fine. But you shouldn't wish for it to "die off" because there's still plenty of people who do enjoy it, including me.

Keep calm and love dinosaurs

Shadowknight1

Quote from: Mellow Stego on March 20, 2022, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 20, 2022, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: SRF on March 20, 2022, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 19, 2022, 04:31:37 PM
I have no interest in Trevorow's uninspired waste product,

Your rant proves otherwise.  ::) I think you put way too much energy in a movie franchise you clearly don't like for about 25 years already.
I ranted because I'm displeased with what this franchise has become, it needs to die off

I understand you're displeased with the franchise and that's fine. But you shouldn't wish for it to "die off" because there's still plenty of people who do enjoy it, including me.
Just dismiss it.  It's an all too common thing for people to spout out these days.  I'm a Star Trek and Star Wars fan(of both the classic and modern stuff), so I see it all the time from so many areas of the internet.  I was hoping to not run into it here, but that was too much to hope for.
I'm excited for REBOR's Acro!  Can't ya tell?

Willaim bratton

#1010
Quote from: Mellow Stego on March 20, 2022, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 20, 2022, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: SRF on March 20, 2022, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 19, 2022, 04:31:37 PM
I have no interest in Trevorow's uninspired waste product,

Your rant proves otherwise.  ::) I think you put way too much energy in a movie franchise you clearly don't like for about 25 years already.
I ranted because I'm displeased with what this franchise has become, it needs to die off

I understand you're displeased with the franchise and that's fine. But you shouldn't wish for it to "die off" because there's still plenty of people who do enjoy it, including me.
Well then just get someone like Spielberg who can actually direct & is honest , heck, get Joe Johnson, anything would be better than Trevorow.  The franchise has gone to hell ever since he got his hands on it

Shadowknight1

Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 20, 2022, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: Mellow Stego on March 20, 2022, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 20, 2022, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: SRF on March 20, 2022, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Willaim bratton on March 19, 2022, 04:31:37 PM
I have no interest in Trevorow's uninspired waste product,

Your rant proves otherwise.  ::) I think you put way too much energy in a movie franchise you clearly don't like for about 25 years already.
I ranted because I'm displeased with what this franchise has become, it needs to die off

I understand you're displeased with the franchise and that's fine. But you shouldn't wish for it to "die off" because there's still plenty of people who do enjoy it, including me.
Well then just get someone like Spielberg who can actually direct & is honest , heck, get Joe Johnson, anything would be better than Trevorow.  The franchise has gone to hell ever since he got his hands on it
Okay, that is an opinion you are having and some share, however, not a single person here is making you watch these films but yourself.
I'm excited for REBOR's Acro!  Can't ya tell?

SRF

In the end, making movies is just business. Trevorrows Jurassic World movies generated almost 3 billion dollars worldwide. There are enough people who still enjoy them for what they are.
But today, I'm just being father


Gwangi

Thinking a franchise needs to die off just because YOU don't like it is incredibly self centered. So is this idea that sequels, reboots, or remakes ruin the original movie or franchise. Do you only like the original Jurassic Park? Well okay, it still exists, just watch that one. Example, I only like the first two Terminator films, so they're the only ones I watch. I've seen all the sequels, gave them a fair shake, didn't like them, but the franchise doesn't need to die because of my opinion. I can still watch the first two films to my heart's content and ignore the others. Similarly, I saw the first Transformers, hated it, haven't watched a single sequel or given the franchise a second thought since. Folks that don't like the Jurassic sequels would do well to do the same. Just because you like dinosaurs doesn't mean you're obligated to watch every movie that has them. Meanwhile, the franchise obviously has a huge fanbase, and some would argue that Trevorrow saved it. Let people enjoy what they like, find what you like and ignore the things you don't.

bone crusher

Universal cared too much about pleasing the 12-13 year olds these days so don't expect decent story telling, character development, dinosaur accuracy, logic and consistency when you see the next JW. For all we know even an Allosaurus could kill a T.rex if some executive woke up on the wrong side of the bed one day and decides it that way. Also since most of those dinos in the movie are way over sized and dis-proportioned from the real animal anyway, why not go even bigger, why not give us a mini Godzilla sized Argentinasaurus, an eventual 50m long Mosasaurus or a 20m long new big bad theropod? I'm sure 13 year olds would love the new super-sized version of the real animal, not that they would know anyway coz Collin Trevorrow says they are "real".

PumperKrickel

Quote from: bone crusher on March 21, 2022, 05:19:59 AM
Universal cared too much about pleasing the 12-13 year olds (...)

So your criticism of the franchise boils down to: "They make movies other people like, instead of being smart and making movies I like."

bone crusher

Quote from: PumperKrickel on March 21, 2022, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: bone crusher on March 21, 2022, 05:19:59 AM
Universal cared too much about pleasing the 12-13 year olds (...)

So your criticism of the franchise boils down to: "They make movies other people like, instead of being smart and making movies I like."
We have Camp Cretaceous to cater for that demographic, just leave the mainline to the adults. It's a win win situation.

PumperKrickel

Quote from: bone crusher on March 21, 2022, 08:04:35 AM
We have Camp Cretaceous to cater for that demographic, just leave the mainline to the adults. It's a win win situation.

The movies have never been exclusively for adults. Why should they be? And what about the adults who enjoy the movies for what they are?

bone crusher

Quote from: PumperKrickel on March 21, 2022, 08:44:14 AM
Quote from: bone crusher on March 21, 2022, 08:04:35 AM
We have Camp Cretaceous to cater for that demographic, just leave the mainline to the adults. It's a win win situation.

The movies have never been exclusively for adults. Why should they be? And what about the adults who enjoy the movies for what they are?
It's not like fixing some accuracy would kill the joy, if anything it could be more entertaining and worth remembering if done right. So why wouldn't you pursue a better movie? 

GojiraGuy1954

Quote from: bone crusher on March 21, 2022, 08:04:35 AM
Quote from: PumperKrickel on March 21, 2022, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: bone crusher on March 21, 2022, 05:19:59 AM
Universal cared too much about pleasing the 12-13 year olds (...)

So your criticism of the franchise boils down to: "They make movies other people like, instead of being smart and making movies I like."
We have Camp Cretaceous to cater for that demographic, just leave the mainline to the adults. It's a win win situation.
Every season of CC is more mature and adult than FK at its worst
Shrek 4 is an underrated masterpiece

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