JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[Gwangi]

Universal cared too much about pleasing the 12-13 year olds these days so don't expect decent story telling, character development, dinosaur accuracy, logic and consistency when you see the next JW. For all we know even an Allosaurus could kill a T.rex if some executive woke up on the wrong side of the bed one day and decides it that way. Also since most of those dinos in the movie are way over sized and dis-proportioned from the real animal anyway, why not go even bigger, why not give us a mini Godzilla sized Argentinasaurus, an eventual 50m long Mosasaurus or a 20m long new big bad theropod? I'm sure 13 year olds would love the new super-sized version of the real animal, not that they would know anyway coz Collin Trevorrow says they are "real".

The movies have always been aimed at 13 year-olds, 13 year-olds like dinosaurs. But I find it ironic that you're calling out these films as being kid movies while also worrying about which dinosaur should win in a fight. 

Why is that ironic? Animals fight in the natural world and as long as they're depicted accurately then people wouldn't be offended. You don't want a wolf lose to a tiger now do you?

Generally speaking, dinosaur fights and who would win in one are the concerns of children. It is known. I was definitely more interested in dinosaur fights when I was 13 than I am now. And although I still enjoy a good on-screen dinosaur battle the outcome is of little consequence. And when it comes to dinosaurs, or animals in general, "who would win in a fight" is just about the least interesting thing I can think of.

Why is it for kids only? Because JP/JW are PG rated? Imagine those movies are M or R rated for extreme animal violence just like in real life. Imagine dinosaurs are alive today you'll bet your a** adults would monetize them for all kinds of sports. Be it Gallimimus racing or giant theropod pit fight etc. It is beyond naive to think dinosaur fighting are mainly for kids.

Dude, I didn't say dinosaur fights were for kids only. Stop that, don't put words in my mouth. I should not have to tell you that kids like dinosaurs, and that the Jurassic franchise is primarily targeted at kids and people that were kids when the original movie came out. They're family films that everyone, in theory, can enjoy. I'm not going to imagine the films as R rated, because they're not. And you're unlikely to ever see a big budget, gory, R rated dinosaur movie because that would exclude kids from seeing it and it wouldn't make any money.  And no, I'm not going to imagine non-avian dinosaurs alive today and being used in blood sports. I'm not dealing with hypotheticals here. Non-avian dinosaurs are extinct and imaginary fights between them are definitely more popular with kids than adults. Of all the things to judge a movie on, who should win in the imaginary fight is just about the most juvenile and trite of all of them.

[Stegotyranno420]

Thanks @BlueKrono
@GojiraGuy1954 tigers are around 1000-1200 psi, while wolves are about 1100-1500 psi

[bone crusher]

Universal cared too much about pleasing the 12-13 year olds these days so don't expect decent story telling, character development, dinosaur accuracy, logic and consistency when you see the next JW. For all we know even an Allosaurus could kill a T.rex if some executive woke up on the wrong side of the bed one day and decides it that way. Also since most of those dinos in the movie are way over sized and dis-proportioned from the real animal anyway, why not go even bigger, why not give us a mini Godzilla sized Argentinasaurus, an eventual 50m long Mosasaurus or a 20m long new big bad theropod? I'm sure 13 year olds would love the new super-sized version of the real animal, not that they would know anyway coz Collin Trevorrow says they are "real".

The movies have always been aimed at 13 year-olds, 13 year-olds like dinosaurs. But I find it ironic that you're calling out these films as being kid movies while also worrying about which dinosaur should win in a fight. 

Why is that ironic? Animals fight in the natural world and as long as they're depicted accurately then people wouldn't be offended. You don't want a wolf lose to a tiger now do you?

Generally speaking, dinosaur fights and who would win in one are the concerns of children. It is known. I was definitely more interested in dinosaur fights when I was 13 than I am now. And although I still enjoy a good on-screen dinosaur battle the outcome is of little consequence. And when it comes to dinosaurs, or animals in general, "who would win in a fight" is just about the least interesting thing I can think of.

Why is it for kids only? Because JP/JW are PG rated? Imagine those movies are M or R rated for extreme animal violence just like in real life. Imagine dinosaurs are alive today you'll bet your a** adults would monetize them for all kinds of sports. Be it Gallimimus racing or giant theropod pit fight etc. It is beyond naive to think dinosaur fighting are mainly for kids.

Dude, I didn't say dinosaur fights were for kids only. Stop that, don't put words in my mouth. I should not have to tell you that kids like dinosaurs, and that the Jurassic franchise is primarily targeted at kids and people that were kids when the original movie came out. They're family films that everyone, in theory, can enjoy. I'm not going to imagine the films as R rated, because they're not. And you're unlikely to ever see a big budget, gory, R rated dinosaur movie because that would exclude kids from seeing it and it wouldn't make any money.  And no, I'm not going to imagine non-avian dinosaurs alive today and being used in blood sports. I'm not dealing with hypotheticals here. Non-avian dinosaurs are extinct and imaginary fights between them are definitely more popular with kids than adults. Of all the things to judge a movie on, who should win in the imaginary fight is just about the most juvenile and trite of all of them.

Why, because you said so? Tell that to the fans of Marvel, DC, Star Wars, AVP, or pretty much 99% of pop-culture movies involving fights out there. I'm sure they're all as juvenile as you think they are . See, fictional character dueling is actually more than often portrayed as the climax or central plot of a movie and audiences certainly do invest a lot into who would win for their respective favorite character. Just because it bears no meaning or importance to you doesn't mean it doesn't for others or be absurd as calling it juvenile. 

[Gwangi]

Universal cared too much about pleasing the 12-13 year olds these days so don't expect decent story telling, character development, dinosaur accuracy, logic and consistency when you see the next JW. For all we know even an Allosaurus could kill a T.rex if some executive woke up on the wrong side of the bed one day and decides it that way. Also since most of those dinos in the movie are way over sized and dis-proportioned from the real animal anyway, why not go even bigger, why not give us a mini Godzilla sized Argentinasaurus, an eventual 50m long Mosasaurus or a 20m long new big bad theropod? I'm sure 13 year olds would love the new super-sized version of the real animal, not that they would know anyway coz Collin Trevorrow says they are "real".

The movies have always been aimed at 13 year-olds, 13 year-olds like dinosaurs. But I find it ironic that you're calling out these films as being kid movies while also worrying about which dinosaur should win in a fight. 

Why is that ironic? Animals fight in the natural world and as long as they're depicted accurately then people wouldn't be offended. You don't want a wolf lose to a tiger now do you?

Generally speaking, dinosaur fights and who would win in one are the concerns of children. It is known. I was definitely more interested in dinosaur fights when I was 13 than I am now. And although I still enjoy a good on-screen dinosaur battle the outcome is of little consequence. And when it comes to dinosaurs, or animals in general, "who would win in a fight" is just about the least interesting thing I can think of.

Why is it for kids only? Because JP/JW are PG rated? Imagine those movies are M or R rated for extreme animal violence just like in real life. Imagine dinosaurs are alive today you'll bet your a** adults would monetize them for all kinds of sports. Be it Gallimimus racing or giant theropod pit fight etc. It is beyond naive to think dinosaur fighting are mainly for kids.

Dude, I didn't say dinosaur fights were for kids only. Stop that, don't put words in my mouth. I should not have to tell you that kids like dinosaurs, and that the Jurassic franchise is primarily targeted at kids and people that were kids when the original movie came out. They're family films that everyone, in theory, can enjoy. I'm not going to imagine the films as R rated, because they're not. And you're unlikely to ever see a big budget, gory, R rated dinosaur movie because that would exclude kids from seeing it and it wouldn't make any money.  And no, I'm not going to imagine non-avian dinosaurs alive today and being used in blood sports. I'm not dealing with hypotheticals here. Non-avian dinosaurs are extinct and imaginary fights between them are definitely more popular with kids than adults. Of all the things to judge a movie on, who should win in the imaginary fight is just about the most juvenile and trite of all of them.

Why, because you said so? Tell that to the fans of Marvel, DC, Star Wars, AVP, or pretty much 99% of pop-culture movies involving fights out there. I'm sure they're all as juvenile as you think they are . See, fictional character dueling is actually more than often portrayed as the climax or central plot of a movie and audiences certainly do invest a lot into who would win for their respective favorite character. Just because it bears no meaning or importance to you doesn't mean it doesn't for others or be absurd as calling it juvenile.

It's my opinion, that's why. You don't have to share my opinion but you keep challenging it and pushing the issue further. And once again you're trying to make this into something bigger than it is. I'm talking specifically about dinosaurs, not Star Wars, not super heroes. Both are far more popular than dinosaurs, even among adults, probably because they involve human characters. But since you brought them up, those properties are also aimed at 13-year-olds. No, that doesn't mean that only 13-year-olds can like them. And also, I typically do find the big action fight scenes at the end of super hero movies to be the most boring parts of those movies. And I'm not alone in that. DC movies are frequently criticized as being too style over substance. Marvel movies frequently bring more to the table, with compelling stories and characters, but then often devolve into drawn-out CGI battles where the outcome is clear and it makes them boring.  Now, let me clarify something, I do enjoy well executed fight scene in my action movies. I like giant monsters smashing buildings and pummeling each other. I'm in my 30's but I am still aware that I'm very much a 13 year-old at heart (I collect dinosaurs), and I'm fine with that. Lastly, you're getting worked up and misinterpreting what I wrote. I said "of all the things to judge a movie on, who should win in the imaginary fight is just about the most juvenile and trite of all of them. I'm talking specifically about how a movie is judged, nothing more, nothing less. I'm not dissing on fight scenes in general, I'm talking about judging a movie based solely on those fight scenes. Example, of all the reasons that I think JP3 is a bad movie, that a T. rex loses to a Spinosaurus is the least of that movies problems, but it's the one that 13-year-olds like to fight about the most.

[bone crusher]

Yeah I'll digress, don't wanna delve further more into it as we all have our own opinions and what not. I do hope this movie bombs tho like JP3 did and then take another 15 year hiatus before the next trilogy begins hopefully with better writers and directions. If not, I'll walk it off.

[Gwangi]

Yeah I'll digress, don't wanna delve further more into it as we all have our own opinions and what not. I do hope this movie bombs tho like JP3 did and then take another 15 year hiatus before the next trilogy begins hopefully with better writers and directions. If not, I'll walk it off.

Well the only way it will bomb is if people don't see it, that's what I tell everyone who's been crapping on it already.

[Giganotosaurus]

JPIII was a box office hit.... perhaps "bomb" isn't the word you were looking for. "Critical disappointment" perhaps?

[Faelrin]

So once again major ending spoilers here:

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But that recent lego set that got leaked or released early is hinting at details that were shared in that reddit early screening leak. It has the Therizinosaurus together with the Giganotosaurus at the BioSyn Outpost place. Considering the FK set spoiled the ending of the film, not surprised to see this happen again. Granted I don't collect Lego these days, but wow is that set a disappointment. Would it really have hurt them to make some new molds for the Giganotosaurus and Therizinosaurus? The Giganotosaurus has an Indominus rex head and T. rex arms, and the Therizinosaurus has raptor feet.

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[Flaffy]

New Species! Along with behind the scenes look of the animatronics. Glad to see the Jurassic franchise return to form (somewhat ) rather than relying exclusively on CGI like JW. Would love to see

Spoiler

Microceratus

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get a proper release this time around, since the last one was an unpainted blob having the unfortunate fate of being stuck in unreleased prototypes.

Picture of new species:

Spoiler

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[Shadowknight1]

Unlike some of the "leaks" of Pyroraptor floating around, as well as early merch, the animatronic clearly has lips like all JP raptors have.

[Pachyrhinosaurus]

The microceratus looks great! It's much more in-line with the original Jurassic Park dinosaurs than the new designs. The colors remind me of what the triceratops animatronic looked like before it was coated in mud. They really nailed the look of the dilophosaurus, too.

[stargatedalek]

Please put new species in a spoiler.

[Faelrin]

Spoiler

That Microceratus is gorgeous. So glad to see this will be in the new film as well. Really hope we get another figure of this one down the line (mini or otherwise). Definitely need one of them in blue anyways. I mean the last one we really had was the Destruct-A-Saurs one that released back in 2018 (which I have, but I know a lot of folks didn't get their hands on and missed out. In fact I'm still glad @stargatedalek helped me out all those years ago to get the set with it).


Also really hoping to see these added to JWE2 as well. Really want a park filled with cute little dinosaurs, like the Dryosaurus, and the Homalocephale too.

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Also good lord the number of species in this film, returning and new. Here's an A-Z list for all those curious (with a * to designate it as new):     

Spoiler

12 new (including the Prologue's species), potentially 20 returning species, with 14 confirmed thus far:

1: Allosaurus
2: Ankylosaurus?
3: Apatosaurus
4: *Atrociraptor
5: Baryonyx
6: Brachiosaurus?
7: Carnotaurus
8: Compsognathus
9: *Dimetrodon
10: Dimorphodon
11: Dilophosaurus
12: *Dreadnoughtus
13: Gallimimus?
14: *Giganotosaurus
15: *Lystrosaurus
16: *Iguanodon?
17: *Microceratus
18: Mosasaurus
19: *Moros
20: Nasutoceratops
21: *Oviraptor?
22: Parasaurolophus
23: Pteranodon
24: *Pyroraptor
25: *Quetzalcoatlus
26: Sinoceratops?
27: Stegosaurus?
28: Stygimoloch
29: *Therizinosaurus
30: Triceratops?
31: Tyrannosaurus
32: Velociraptor

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I don't know if I've missed anything (as far as returning ones go), but that's already a possible 26 film species out of 39 total (not counting any new CC species though, which would push it over 40). I've listed the other remaining film dinosaurs here that I'm not sure if they are returning or not, including which ones that are not, which are crossed out:

Spoiler

Ceratosaurus
Corythosaurus
Indominus rex
Indoraptor
Mamenchisaurus
Pachycephalosaurus
Spinosaurus

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Also yes I know the formatting is butchered. My windows 11 hates enters used here for some reason, single or double, doesn't matter. Like they just will not save and I can't figure out why for the life of me. I'll fix it on mobile in a bit.

Edit: Should be fixed now.

Edit 2: Added species that are on this new magnet which might be confirmation that they will be returning, but I'll leave them with a question mark in the above, until there's more proof (such as being shown in a new trailer, animatronic pics, etc).
https://www.entertainmentearth.com/s/?query1=jurassic

[HD-man]

To be fair, Trevorrow et al. explicitly advertised the prologue as "paleontologically correct" ( https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852549476232855575/853026740393345084/image0.png ) even though it clearly isn't in many (if not most) ways.

I've said this elsewhere, but it bears repeating here: Someone tell Trevorrow, this is what "paleontologically correct" looks like: http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=7869.0

[Fembrogon]

As delighted as I am to see prominent usage of practical effects - and as appreciative as I want to be for the inclusion of feathered species - those photos of the Pyroraptor's head look downright ugly. Sometimes the JW dinosaurs come across more like caricatures than legitimate designs to me.

[Flaffy]

There's a good chance the animatronics will be covered up by CGI anyways based on JWFK's treatment of the Indoraptor animatronic.
Though I guess the benefit of having the animatronics are:
1) More convincing performances from actors, as they actually have a dinosaur to react to and scream at as opposed to a ball on a stick.
2) Better reference for animators in terms of lighting and how the creature interacts with the environment

[Fembrogon]

That's certainly possible; I know that can happen frequently in productions these days, and sometimes the practical models are even designed with that in mind. As you mentioned, having the physical props gives the actors something real to react to, and provides on-set reference for the visual effects team to produce better results on their end.
The questions is, though: will CGI fix the Pyroraptor's ugly face? I doubt it.

[Faelrin]

Run time has been confirmed to be over 145 mins (or over 2 hours, 20 minutes). It will be the longest Jurassic film to date. This is good because between the different character arcs and 20+ species it would need a longer runtime to deal with it all.

[dragon53]

The run time is reported to be 2 hours and 26 minutes.

[Mellow Stego]

I think the shortest was JP3 and it suffered from it. At least I thought so.