JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[Willaim bratton]

Still doesn't change the fact he( Trevorow) lied

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Still doesn't change the fact he( Trevorow) lied

If accurate to the film universe then he wouldn't have lied.   

He may have actually wanted to do what he said as well.  Having read every book on the production of the films, too many articles, interviews and such..you realize just how little control directors, creative designers, ect have. It usually comes down to a handful of executives saying they like something so you have to do it regardless. All they care about is money and maybe a little fame. They can sit in a theater and tell people they know "hey look I did this".   If you get a moment or two, read or watch Ray Bradbury's Tyrannosaurus Rex..it pretty much lays it all out for you. This is how Hollyweird works. 

[bone crusher]

Dont you think "trash " is too immature and rude to describe it. I used to also make such claims, but eventually I learned how hard it is when you do it yourself...(not this subject but the point still stands)

I don't think it's fair to labeling people as immature or fanboyish when we are genuinely criticizing the ending with enough scientific proofs and logic behind it. Your instigation doesn't hold water here, rather it's more insulting to us rex fans who actually have knowledge on this matter.
Look it's never about playing the favorite animal, if the body plan of Giga and T.rex is reversed then I would more than happy to side with Giga in a fight due to obvious physical advantages. And it's not even all about bite force either, sure a stronger bite would not only cut through flesh it would also deal bone damage which would cripple the victim faster in a fight. A T.rex is just overall much more robust built, being much heavier and bulkier literally head to toe, such physical advantage would surely aide its success rate to win a fight against a Giga. If we follow strictly by fossil evidence and skeletal reconstructions done by the academics, it's highly unlikely the more slender, lighter weight animal would come on top. What Universal did with their rendition of the Giga betrays everything that is scientifically known about this creature and that is why many of us fans are furious about it. They souped up the Giga while at the same time nerfed the T.rex all for the plot, it's a big middle finger to the faces of tons of long time T.rex fans of this franchise. No way to sugarcoat it.

[KeU]

I don't think it's fair to labeling people as immature or fanboyish when we are genuinely criticizing the ending with enough scientific proofs and logic behind it. Your instigation doesn't hold water here, rather it's more insulting to us rex fans who actually have knowledge on this matter.
Look it's never about playing the favorite animal, if the body plan of Giga and T.rex is reversed then I would more than happy to side with Giga in a fight due to obvious physical advantages. And it's not even all about bite force either, sure a stronger bite would not only cut through flesh it would also deal bone damage which would cripple the victim faster in a fight. A T.rex is just overall much more robust built, being much heavier and bulkier literally head to toe, such physical advantage would surely aide its success rate to win a fight against a Giga. If we follow strictly by fossil evidence and skeletal reconstructions done by the academics, it's highly unlikely the more slender, lighter weight animal would come on top. What Universal did with their rendition of the Giga betrays everything that is scientifically known about this creature and that is why many of us fans are furious about it. They souped up the Giga while at the same time nerfed the T.rex all for the plot, it's a big middle finger to the faces of tons of long time T.rex fans of this franchise. No way to sugarcoat it.

I think what Stegotyranno meant was the choice of words, not the accuracy of the term.
Plenty of other more polite words to use instead of Trash.
And there is a huge team behind the scenes working on a movie, please don't undermine all their hard work.

As a Giga fan (T.rex does come a very close 2nd), I definitely agree on the body mass advantage. Strength is an attribute that can be easily taken advantage of for any creature in conflict. Looking at Cheetahs and Leopards (Both have similar sizes but the Cheetah almost always yield) or Leopards and Spotted Hyenas, the lighter animal usually gives way. The higher bite force and bone crushing abilities, I don't think it is that much of an advantage. Cutting muscle, blood vessels, and tendons are equally effective, if any, more efficient. Dealing bone damage takes time too. It is not like a T.rex can master up full strength in an instant or every single time it bites. Take me for example, I can bench more than 300 lbs and punch at 800 psi. doesn't mean every time I punch you, I will break a rib. Depends on my physical state, where I punch, and your physical state.

I am really annoyed with Universal's design choice on the Giga, but I should have expected it since the T.rex design is way off too. But that is definitely not a middle finger to T.rex fans. If any, it generated way more fans by bringing it to the big screen for multiple occasions. I can count with one hand the number of times a Giga or Spino made it to the blockbuster movie.

[KeU]

If accurate to the film universe then he wouldn't have lied.   
He may have actually wanted to do what he said as well.  Having read every book on the production of the films, too many articles, interviews and such..you realize just how little control directors, creative designers, ect have. It usually comes down to a handful of executives saying they like something so you have to do it regardless. All they care about is money and maybe a little fame. They can sit in a theater and tell people they know "hey look I did this".   If you get a moment or two, read or watch Ray Bradbury's Tyrannosaurus Rex..it pretty much lays it all out for you. This is how Hollyweird works.

Trevorrow did specifically say in an interview that the dinosaurs will be paleontologically accurate. And he might have genuinely meant that until it is over-ridden by Universal executives.

[Gwangi]

If accurate to the film universe then he wouldn't have lied.   
He may have actually wanted to do what he said as well.  Having read every book on the production of the films, too many articles, interviews and such..you realize just how little control directors, creative designers, ect have. It usually comes down to a handful of executives saying they like something so you have to do it regardless. All they care about is money and maybe a little fame. They can sit in a theater and tell people they know "hey look I did this".   If you get a moment or two, read or watch Ray Bradbury's Tyrannosaurus Rex..it pretty much lays it all out for you. This is how Hollyweird works.

Trevorrow did specifically say in an interview that the dinosaurs will be paleontologically accurate. And he might have genuinely meant that until it is over-ridden by Universal executives.

Or it could also be that paleontologically accurate means something different to a film maker than it does to an actual paleontologist. But yeah, it apparently needs to be pointed out that the director of a film is still limited in what they can achieve. Studios have driven directors out of their own films. Edgar Wright and Antman is a good example of that.

[GojiraGuy1954]

Honestly? Ya'll are seriously overestimating how strong Tyrannosaurus was. It has frankly very little in way of "upper hands" against any other large theropod.

And it would be horribly boring and uninteresting of Tyrannosaurus just won everything. Tyrannosaurus ex machina was already how the first movie ended, and repetition is uninteresting.

I mean JP rex sure but real rex is the largest and most specialised (in terms of brute strength) terrestrial predator that ever existed

Don't you think you are exaggerating a tad too much. Eh, I dont want to get in this same argument for the billionth time anyway...

Spoiler

that aside, I honestly think the giga design works alot better as an Acro, especially with the spines. I'm starting to like it more

[close]

Nope. T. rex is shaped like a barrel. It isn't sleek or streamlined, like the large Carcharodontosaurids or Spino, just comprised of massive lungs and muscle.

[GojiraGuy1954]

Bite force means very little in a fight. When overpowering or outmanoeuvring prey absolutely, but in a fight with an animal of similar size and speed? It means essentially nothing. A bite well enough placed for Tyrannosaurus to break bone would also kill Tyrannosaurus from tearing apart blood vessels and organs if dealt by another theropod.

Tyrannosaurids, for how large they were, were actually some of the more agile theropods. There was a paper about it a few years ago I think

[Stegotyranno420]

Honestly? Ya'll are seriously overestimating how strong Tyrannosaurus was. It has frankly very little in way of "upper hands" against any other large theropod.

And it would be horribly boring and uninteresting of Tyrannosaurus just won everything. Tyrannosaurus ex machina was already how the first movie ended, and repetition is uninteresting.

I mean JP rex sure but real rex is the largest and most specialised (in terms of brute strength) terrestrial predator that ever existed

Don't you think you are exaggerating a tad too much. Eh, I dont want to get in this same argument for the billionth time anyway...

Spoiler

that aside, I honestly think the giga design works alot better as an Acro, especially with the spines. I'm starting to like it more

[close]

Nope. T. rex is shaped like a barrel. It isn't sleek or streamlined, like the large Carcharodontosaurids or Spino, just comprised of massive lungs and muscle.

Yeah, we know Tyrannosaurus is barrel shaped due to its lungs and its fat, but we currently cannot tell that well for the others. Not only they are more fragmented and less studied,  but not all fossils preserve the same.
Besides allosauroids(like giga) can probably yield more force qhen using the axe method(if that is proven) so the neck is not so safe. Tyrannosaurus is not indeatructable. It's more like a Siberian tiger and a brown bear, whom both have a good chance at winning.
Giganotosaurus is like a butcher knife and the tyrannosaurus is just a tasty,  albeit equally dangerous, steak

[Dynomikegojira]

Can we agree that who ever gets the first lethal bite is usually the winner anyway but besides that they're both awesome.

[Willaim bratton]

Trevorow didn't say accurate for the franchise, he bragged about how paleontologically accurate the prolog was . He did infact lie, plain and simple, direct quote on the prolog:  " We get to see these dinosaurs in thier paleontologically correct form . Its the first time we don't have dinosaurs  that were completed with frog DNA nd therefore inaccurate for those who pay attention." And he's said it over and over again, even admitibg to have left the prolog Tyrannosaurus unchanged so its recognizable but still calling it " Scientifically accurate " when he knew it wasn't.  This is the same man who fervently tweated " No feathers" in 2015 , he doesn't care about accuracy or dinosaurs _ he only cares about making a buck off a nostalgia sucking cash cow.

[stargatedalek]

Or, you know... maybe he was just wrong? People can be incorrect without being liars you know...

[Willaim bratton]

Not in this case

[stargatedalek]

Not in this case

On what grounds? Based on what evidence?

[Stegotyranno420]

Can we agree that who ever gets the first lethal bite is usually the winner anyway but besides that they're both awesome.

I agree

[Dinoxels]

Jesus, this thread turned into all out petty fan-boy "scientifically proven" war over big movie theropods in a pop culture franchise. Honestly, theres better things yall could be doing right now. Just saying.

[Dynomikegojira]

Trevorow didn't say accurate for the franchise, he bragged about how paleontologically accurate the prolog was . He did infact lie, plain and simple, direct quote on the prolog:  " We get to see these dinosaurs in thier paleontologically correct form . Its the first time we don't have dinosaurs  that were completed with frog DNA nd therefore inaccurate for those who pay attention." And he's said it over and over again, even admitibg to have left the prolog Tyrannosaurus unchanged so its recognizable but still calling it " Scientifically accurate " when he knew it wasn't.  This is the same man who fervently tweated " No feathers" in 2015 , he doesn't care about accuracy or dinosaurs _ he only cares about making a buck off a nostalgia sucking cash cow.

I have my own issues with the things that Trevorow has said but he is just a movie director and clearly the Jurassic Park universe is separate our real world hence man sized Velociraptor being found in North America.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Trevorow didn't say accurate for the franchise, he bragged about how paleontologically accurate the prolog was . He did infact lie, plain and simple, direct quote on the prolog:  " We get to see these dinosaurs in thier paleontologically correct form . Its the first time we don't have dinosaurs  that were completed with frog DNA nd therefore inaccurate for those who pay attention." And he's said it over and over again, even admitibg to have left the prolog Tyrannosaurus unchanged so its recognizable but still calling it " Scientifically accurate " when he knew it wasn't.  This is the same man who fervently tweated " No feathers" in 2015 , he doesn't care about accuracy or dinosaurs _ he only cares about making a buck off a nostalgia sucking cash cow.

I have my own issues with the things that Trevorow has said but he is just a movie director and clearly the Jurassic Park universe is separate our real world hence man sized Velociraptor being found in North America.

That's one example, there are a 100 more too.  Jurassic may have started out in our universe, but it surely has surpassed that limit.

Let's not forget they did hire a paleontologist  adviser on the film, just like they did in the past as well.  But again, he's just an advisor, he can only suggest not enforce.     

We just need to either appreciate these movies as something fun, maybe a gateway to introducing kids to dinosaurs and the public at large..or just avoid them and let others have their fun.

[GojiraGuy1954]

Honestly? Ya'll are seriously overestimating how strong Tyrannosaurus was. It has frankly very little in way of "upper hands" against any other large theropod.

And it would be horribly boring and uninteresting of Tyrannosaurus just won everything. Tyrannosaurus ex machina was already how the first movie ended, and repetition is uninteresting.

I mean JP rex sure but real rex is the largest and most specialised (in terms of brute strength) terrestrial predator that ever existed

Don't you think you are exaggerating a tad too much. Eh, I dont want to get in this same argument for the billionth time anyway...

Spoiler

that aside, I honestly think the giga design works alot better as an Acro, especially with the spines. I'm starting to like it more

[close]

Nope. T. rex is shaped like a barrel. It isn't sleek or streamlined, like the large Carcharodontosaurids or Spino, just comprised of massive lungs and muscle.

Yeah, we know Tyrannosaurus is barrel shaped due to its lungs and its fat, but we currently cannot tell that well for the others. Not only they are more fragmented and less studied,  but not all fossils preserve the same.
Besides allosauroids(like giga) can probably yield more force qhen using the axe method(if that is proven) so the neck is not so safe. Tyrannosaurus is not indeatructable. It's more like a Siberian tiger and a brown bear, whom both have a good chance at winning.
Giganotosaurus is like a butcher knife and the tyrannosaurus is just a tasty,  albeit equally dangerous, steak

They are physically not built the same

[bone crusher]

Can we agree that who ever gets the first lethal bite is usually the winner anyway but besides that they're both awesome.

T.rex in JP3 got the first bite on Spino yet it did nothing and got killed, T.rex in JW got the first bite on Indominus yet it did nothing and almost got killed if not for Blue. I bet T.rex would get the first bite again vs Giga and would do nothing except almost getting killed before Therizinosaurus shows up. So obviously one can see JP/JW fights are utter nonsense.