JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[Flaffy]

Is there a way to mute specific threads? I don't really want to be spoiled be it true or false rumors.
Especially when discussions of said leaks aren't put under a spoiler tag.

[Stegotyranno420]

Honestly? Ya'll are seriously overestimating how strong Tyrannosaurus was. It has frankly very little in way of "upper hands" against any other large theropod.

And it would be horribly boring and uninteresting of Tyrannosaurus just won everything. Tyrannosaurus ex machina was already how the first movie ended, and repetition is uninteresting.

Exactly, exactly,  exactly!

[GojiraGuy1954]

Honestly? Ya'll are seriously overestimating how strong Tyrannosaurus was. It has frankly very little in way of "upper hands" against any other large theropod.

And it would be horribly boring and uninteresting of Tyrannosaurus just won everything. Tyrannosaurus ex machina was already how the first movie ended, and repetition is uninteresting.

I mean JP rex sure but real rex is the largest and most specialised (in terms of brute strength) terrestrial predator that ever existed

[Stegotyranno420]

Honestly? Ya'll are seriously overestimating how strong Tyrannosaurus was. It has frankly very little in way of "upper hands" against any other large theropod.

And it would be horribly boring and uninteresting of Tyrannosaurus just won everything. Tyrannosaurus ex machina was already how the first movie ended, and repetition is uninteresting.

I mean JP rex sure but real rex is the largest and most specialised (in terms of brute strength) terrestrial predator that ever existed

Don't you think you are exaggerating a tad too much. Eh, I dont want to get in this same argument for the billionth time anyway...

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that aside, I honestly think the giga design works alot better as an Acro, especially with the spines. I'm starting to like it more

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[Gwangi]

Looks like it's time to stop visiting this thread until after I've seen the movie.

[Willaim bratton]

Tyrannosaurus Does have an upper hand over every other big therapod. Tyrannosaurus outclassed all  others in terms of mass & bulk, with far more muscle mass & a devastating 6 ton bone splitting bite.  Whatever Tyrannosaurus  bites its gonna do far more damage on it than said therapod would to it, Tyrannosaurus  wins easily against every other large therapod.

[SRF]

These movies just don't seem to follow what we know about these animals anyway. Still going to watch it, but the portrail of dinosaurs I'll just take with a grain of salt.

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About T. Rex versus other theropods, when it comes to a fight, T. Rex always has the advantage. The main "weapon" for any big theropod is its large head and thus their bite. T. Rex bite force is 3 to 5 times stronger than that of Giganotosaurus. Even tyrannosaurs that are significantly smaller have a stronger bite than the much larger Carcharodontosaurids. To me it doesn't matter that much how it is portrayed in a movie and I can understand that they don't follow science in that regard. Otherwise it would be quite boring if a T. Rex constantly bites the other theropod in half, ending the "fight" within seconds.

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[KeU]

That's a bummer.
I would have liked a more equal fight.
And I can see a healthy young Giga wrecking an aging Rexy. That is not outside the realm of possibility.

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But I am bummed about them killing off the Giga though.
Would have liked it around for more movies than just Dominion.

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Speaking of Theropod fighting, goodness, I think it can go so many ways.
Not sure why everyone is so focused on just bite force since there are so many other mechanics in play.
Even if it is a very good advantage to have.

Remember that a Tyrannosaurus bite is very reliant on its strength. And that not every single bite would be a 6t bite, that is too much exertion for the animal.
Where else, an Allosaurus or Giganotosaurus relying on its teeth can just drag its jaws over a prey item and cause grievous injury. I am thinking shark bites, those are particularly gnarly.

Thinking about it, actually 6t of force on a creature that is 8t or more. That is not a lot actually. Most large creatures would be able to shake it off if their bodies have grown to handle more stress than that.

[Willaim bratton]

Tyrannosaurus literally crushed / split bone, even severing tails in interspecies combat & decapitating triceratops, so no....Giganotosaurus couldn't just shrug that off

[Willaim bratton]

More over Tyrannosaurus was resilient, we have individual's surviving injuries that would have spelt death for other animals, Wyrex  for example had its tail severed & lived. Moreover a good shove from Tyrannosaurus giving its massive bulk & body mass would probably do damage , never-mind that massive bite & the fact that Tyrannosaurus' neck would be very difficult to injur given it's thickness via muscle mass. Tyrannosaurus is on a whole different level

[Stegotyranno420]

Tyrannosaurus literally crushed / split bone, even severing tails in interspecies combat & decapitating triceratops, so no....Giganotosaurus couldn't just shrug that off

From my understanding,  MANY theropods were more than capable of break bones. Sure Tyrannosaurus may have the strongest bite, but biteforce is not everything.

Besides, I dont even think it is a fair fight, Tyrannosaurus is much more studied. Not the best example(keep this in mind), but this is like asking who will win, the Minoans or the Aztecs. They never met, and one is far less studied, so it will be impossible.
At this point I'm starting to realize how churlish and immature it is to complain about your favorite dinosaur losing to an evenly matched one.
It's just a movie

[Willaim bratton]

Carcharodontosaur jaws aren't built to split/ crush bone , nor are most therapod jaws . Spinosauridae jaws aren't, Abielosaurs aren't.  These films have effectively neutered Tyrannosaurus, its depicted as weak & losing nearly every fight with another big therapod.  Big therapods that in life were significantly weaker & less robust than it, but that the franchise exaggerates to 59 level idiocy. Its just a movie, yes. But a movie wherein the director pathologically lied about accuracy , and I have no interest in seeing his nostalgia sucking waste product

[KeU]

Broken bone vs a severed blood, vessel muscle or tendon. Both are equally good ways to take down prey or rivals.
But simply having higher strength is an easier marketing tool, and easier for the general public to comprehend. 
And that's how I claim superiority over fellow humans as well.

[stargatedalek]

Bite force means very little in a fight. When overpowering or outmanoeuvring prey absolutely, but in a fight with an animal of similar size and speed? It means essentially nothing. A bite well enough placed for Tyrannosaurus to break bone would also kill Tyrannosaurus from tearing apart blood vessels and organs if dealt by another theropod.

[KeU]

I agree.
But having a higher body strength and bite force allows more flexibility in a fight. Even if it comes at a cost of agility and stamina.
Animals are usually not smart enough to abuse those attributes apart from strength and speed.

[Stegotyranno420]

But heres the part folks miss. Theropod jobs are specialized.  A tyrannosaurus jaw wont be able to sustain the pressure of carrying a live mawsonia fighting for like, just as a Spinosaurus will not be able to break triceratops bones.
Similar to how an abelisaur will not be able to "axe" sauropods just as an acrocanthosaurus cannot bite repeatedly fast enough to slow down speedy meals.
Different ways of hunting need different tools. A person with an axe , a person with a knife, and a person with a hammer will still cause great damage to eachother.

Carcharodontosaur jaws aren't built to split/ crush bone , nor are most therapod jaws . Spinosauridae jaws aren't, Abielosaurs aren't.  These films have effectively neutered Tyrannosaurus, its depicted as weak & losing nearly every fight with another big therapod.  Big therapods that in life were significantly weaker & less robust than it, but that the franchise exaggerates to 59 level idiocy. Its just a movie, yes. But a movie wherein the director pathologically lied about accuracy , and I have no interest in seeing his nostalgia sucking waste product

I admit, I am no saint, but I dont understand why your blood (seemingly) boils just because your favorite dinosaur [b]MAY[/b] not win in a movie.

[Willaim bratton]

Thats not why I'm not watching it. I'm not watching it because Colin Trevorow pathologically lied about accuracy, especially with that trash prolog & new species. I don't support liers

[Stegotyranno420]

Dont you think "trash " is too immature and rude to describe it. I used to also make such claims, but eventually I learned how hard it is when you do it yourself...(not this subject but the point still stands)

[Willaim bratton]

I think " trash" fits it perfectly

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I've mentioned it before and i'll state it again. The Jurassic Park/World franchise at this point is it's own cinematic universe.  Just like Marvel, DC, ect..  it's really the best way to view it.  You can't use logic and reasoning from our world and expect it to make sense.