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What Dinosaurs Did Carnotaurus Live With?

Started by IrritatorRaji, April 06, 2018, 08:41:54 PM

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IrritatorRaji

Google isn't giving me an answer so I guess this is the next best place to ask.

I was wanting to take place in the DTB diorama contest (probably next year) and maybe play around with Carnotaurus, but I'm not sure what other dinosaurs to include in the diorama.


Ravonium

#1
I know Wikipedia isn't a surefire way of answering your question, but the page on the La Colonia Formation (here) suggests that Carnotaurus is the only named dinosaur from that formation (there is an indeterminate hadrosaurid listed as well).


For the indeterminate hadrosaur, I think the CollectA Mantellisaurus would probably be the best figure to do the job. While Mantellisaurus isn't in the core hadrosaur group, the figure would work well for a generic ornithopod.

MoarCrossovers

#2
Carnivores are typically more far spread than herbivores. You could probably get away with using other South American dinosaurs, so long as they are from the same time and nearby formations.

IrritatorRaji

Quote from: Ravonium on April 06, 2018, 09:03:20 PMFor the indeterminate hadrosaur, I think the CollectA Mantellisaurus would probably be the best figure to do the job. While Mantellisaurus isn't in the core hadrosaur group, the figure would work well for a generic ornithopod.

Only issue is the style difference. I was thinking of using the Papo Carnotaurus.

I guess I'll look around for a good looking Hadrosaur to use.

IrritatorRaji

Quote from: MoarCrossovers on April 06, 2018, 09:10:46 PM
Carnivores are typically more far spread than herbivores. You could probably get away with using other South American dinosaurs, so long as they are from the same time and nearby formations.

Noted :D

MoarCrossovers

Saltasaurus would be a good candidate. It lived around the same time as Carnotaurus and near enough the same region. Schleich does an nice figure.

Halichoeres

I downloaded a bunch of PaleoDB data and came up with the following from the La Colonia formation. You'd have to use stand-ins or sculpt your own.

Mammals:
Argentodites
Coloniatherium
Reigitherium

Archosaurs:
indeterminate enantiornithines
indeterminate theropods
indeterminate ankylosaurs
indeterminate titanosaurs
indeterminate hadrosauroids

Sauropterygians:
indeterminate elasmosaurids
Sulcusuchus

Lepidosaurs:
Alamitophis
indeterminate boids

Turtles:
Patagoniaemys
Yaminuechelys
indeterminate chelids

I agree with others that Saltasaurus is a reasonable stand-in; in any event very similar animals would have been around. For that matter, animals very much like Malawisaurus would have been too. There would have been dromaeosaurids, hadrosaurs, thyreophorans, the standard Gondwanan fare.
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Ravonium

Quote from: MoarCrossovers on April 06, 2018, 09:17:31 PM
Saltasaurus would be a good candidate. It lived around the same time as Carnotaurus and near enough the same region. Schleich does an nice figure.

The only issue is that the Schleich Saltasaurus is long retired, meaning it tends to go on Amazon and Ebay for quite a lot. There is also a Carnegie figure, but it isn't quite as nice and is also retired.

Sim

Funnily enough, there's been another thread in the past that asked what dinosaurs coexisted with Carnotaurus.  Here's a link to it, in case it's of interest: http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=2608.0


Quote from: Halichoeres on April 06, 2018, 09:22:19 PM
There would have been dromaeosaurids, hadrosaurs, thyreophorans, the standard Gondwanan fare.

As far as I know, the Gondwanan dromaeosaurids are the unenlagiines only.

Neosodon

Quote from: Halichoeres on April 06, 2018, 09:22:19 PM
There would have been dromaeosaurids, hadrosaurs, thyreophorans, the standard Gondwanan fare.
Hadrosaurs? Are there any species of hadrosaur that lived in Gondwana? I thought it was just their iguanadontian ancestors that lived down there.

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Halichoeres

No, there were hadrosaurs in South America by the end of the Campanian, and they might even have gotten to Antarctica (which could have been at least intermittently connected to South America at the time) https://academic.oup.com/zoolinnean/article/159/2/503/2622982
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Was Carnotaurus the largest predator in South America at the time?

Ravonium

#12
Quote from: MoarCrossovers on April 08, 2018, 04:27:31 PM
Was Carnotaurus the largest predator in South America at the time?


If you are talking about the exact time that Carnotaurus lived in (between 72 and 69 million years ago), then yes, it was.