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PNSO: New For 2021

Started by Takama, December 02, 2020, 08:27:09 PM

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suspsy

Minizoo has the Allosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Tarbosaurus, and Torvosaurus listed at $49.99, yet the significantly smaller Qianzhousaurus is listed at $59.99. :o
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ItsTwentyBelow

In response to PNSO's increased pricing, it is bewildering and has been a complete turn-off for me, and I don't think it's as simple as articulated jaws being more expensive. I jumped on the Spinops, Eurhinosaurus, and Dakosaurus initially because they were the right price for what is being offered ($14 to $18 each on AliExpress), and that Dakosaurus has an articulated jaw. Then prices jumped to $22.99 for one figure, and all I've added to my collection since then is the beautiful Lambeosaurus at that price, which is still totally worth it.

Then PNSO got bold very fast, in my opinion. Kind of wanted Bart the Pinacosaurus, but I still can't justify it because the paint app is nowhere near the prototype from what I have seen and $30+ is just a negligent amount of money to spend on one modestly sized figure. Since then, all the releases have just been nice pictures to look at, to me. Once the Parasaurolophus came out at nearly twice the price of the similarly sized Lambeosaurus, I've just stopped caring.

PNSO's figures have become far too expensive for what they are, plain and simple. Although, they are very nice sculpts.

Shonisaurus

Quote from: ItsTwentyBelow on September 02, 2021, 01:15:09 AM
In response to PNSO's increased pricing, it is bewildering and has been a complete turn-off for me, and I don't think it's as simple as articulated jaws being more expensive. I jumped on the Spinops, Eurhinosaurus, and Dakosaurus initially because they were the right price for what is being offered ($14 to $18 each on AliExpress), and that Dakosaurus has an articulated jaw. Then prices jumped to $22.99 for one figure, and all I've added to my collection since then is the beautiful Lambeosaurus at that price, which is still totally worth it.

Then PNSO got bold very fast, in my opinion. Kind of wanted Bart the Pinacosaurus, but I still can't justify it because the paint app is nowhere near the prototype from what I have seen and $30+ is just a negligent amount of money to spend on one modestly sized figure. Since then, all the releases have just been nice pictures to look at, to me. Once the Parasaurolophus came out at nearly twice the price of the similarly sized Lambeosaurus, I've just stopped caring.

PNSO's figures have become far too expensive for what they are, plain and simple. Although, they are very nice sculpts.

We will have to wait for prices to calm down or wait to buy the second-hand PNSO figures from DTF sellers who are willing to sell them in the mid-distant future.

Psittacoraptor

avatar_ItsTwentyBelow @ItsTwentyBelow There's more to a figure than size, although the Parasaurolophus is quite a bit bigger than the Lambeosaurus. I paid almost double for the Parasaurolophus compared to the Lambeosaurus (admittedly it was 15€ vs 28€, not the new prices) and it was easily worth it. The Para is a much more impressive figure in every way, sculpt, details, paint. Probably their best model IMO.

Faelrin

Honestly it makes me glad I got the ones (Parasaurolophus, Lambeosaurus, Microraptor, many minis) when I did. At this point going forward I am being more selective of my wishlist (although collecting is on hold indefinitely for me right now, and with folks I still owe... *sigh*). The Spinosaurus, Yutyrannus, Helicoprion and Dunkleosteus are the only ones I'm planning on getting in the future (however long from now). Corythosaurus would help round out the hadrosaurid trio but I don't feel as drawn to it as the others partly because of its size I guess.
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Gwangi

I would argue that the Dakosaurus gets away with being cheap because of corners cut elsewhere on that figure, like its awful paint application. But I don't really have a strong stance in this debate, I'm just trying to wrap my head around what's going on and see what the patterns are, if there are any at all.

I still need to get the Tarbosaurus, and maybe the Dunkleosteus. Aside from those I plan on implementing a price cap on my future PNSO figures, if they aren't in the $20-30 price range I'm not interested. That's the price range that got me interested in PNSO in the first place. There are still some figures in that price range I haven't got yet, like the Eurhinosaurus and Pachyrhinosaurus and I'll get those in time. Products like the Nano, Andrea, and the Mamenchi don't even register on my radar.

SidB

Quote from: Shonisaurus on September 02, 2021, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: ItsTwentyBelow on September 02, 2021, 01:15:09 AM
In response to PNSO's increased pricing, it is bewildering and has been a complete turn-off for me, and I don't think it's as simple as articulated jaws being more expensive. I jumped on the Spinops, Eurhinosaurus, and Dakosaurus initially because they were the right price for what is being offered ($14 to $18 each on AliExpress), and that Dakosaurus has an articulated jaw. Then prices jumped to $22.99 for one figure, and all I've added to my collection since then is the beautiful Lambeosaurus at that price, which is still totally worth it.

Then PNSO got bold very fast, in my opinion. Kind of wanted Bart the Pinacosaurus, but I still can't justify it because the paint app is nowhere near the prototype from what I have seen and $30+ is just a negligent amount of money to spend on one modestly sized figure. Since then, all the releases have just been nice pictures to look at, to me. Once the Parasaurolophus came out at nearly twice the price of the similarly sized Lambeosaurus, I've just stopped caring.

PNSO's figures have become far too expensive for what they are, plain and simple. Although, they are very nice sculpts.

We will have to wait for prices to calm down or wait to buy the second-hand PNSO figures from DTF sellers who are willing to sell them in the mid-distant future.
It seems that wide-spread availability will likely lie in the future. I virtually never see any appear on eBay, though I don't look every day. I did pick up Doyle the Triceratops and the first version of Wilson from eBay about 1 1/2 to 2 years ago at a terrific price, but have seen very little since. I buy from Aliexpress and Dans, usually when deals are in effect, but people seem to be holding onto their PNSO acquisitions, so little is currently available on the second-hand market.

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ItsTwentyBelow

Quote from: Psittacoraptor on September 02, 2021, 10:27:42 AM
the Parasaurolophus is quite a bit bigger than the Lambeosaurus.

Uh, it really is not much bigger, though, and that's the thing. I don't own it but I can compare its size to my Lambeosaurus with the blog review of the PNSO Parasaur, using my Battat Parasaurolophus. There is a negligible size difference between the two figures, and the paint app on the Lambeosaurus is also far more intricate, so I'm not sure what you are seeing there. There is NO good reason the Parasaurolophus should be selling for nearly double the price of Audrey.

Psittacoraptor

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avatar_ItsTwentyBelow @ItsTwentyBelow I'm seeing what's sitting right in front of me on my desk right now, and that's both the Para and the Lambeo side by side. ;) Their lengths might be similar but the Para is a noticeably more substantial figure. The sculpt and paint application is more detailed, as well. I guess it's hard to tell from photos.

avatar_Faelrin @Faelrin I don't like the Corythosaurus, either. I'm not an expert, so I could be wrong, but the proportions seem a bit off to me, mainly the head looks too big.

ceratopsian

Agreed avatar_Psittacoraptor @Psittacoraptor.  I own them both too, they are right by me now on the bookcase by my desk.  The Parasaurolophus is much, much heftier and bulkier than the Lambeosaurus.  The Lambeosaurus is a very petite, delicate model.

Quote from: Psittacoraptor on September 02, 2021, 05:05:39 PM
avatar_ItsTwentyBelow @ItsTwentyBelow I'm seeing what's sitting right in front of me on my desk right now, and that's both the Para and the Lambeo side by side. ;) Their lengths might be similar but the Para is a noticeably more substantial figure. The sculpt and paint application is more detailed, as well. I guess it's hard to tell from photos.


stargatedalek

A sculpt being more detailed wouldn't increase production costs. Paying the sculptor is ultimately a negligible cost on the broader scale of mass production.

Bread

Quote from: Psittacoraptor on September 02, 2021, 05:05:39 PM
avatar_Faelrin @Faelrin I don't like the Corythosaurus, either. I'm not an expert, so I could be wrong, but the proportions seem a bit off to me, mainly the head looks too big.
Yes the Corythosaurus has inaccurate proportions. The head being a little too big, but mainly the crest being the worst offender out of the two. I don't know if the legs are too skinny, but definitely a stability factor as mine would never stand perfect, eventually leading up to my decision of selling it.

Carnoking

Yeah, it is a much heftier figure despite the similar overall lengths/height. Granted, I'm not sure the added heft is quite enough to justify the 20 dollar increase but since Parasaurolophus is one of my favorites I decided it was still worth it. And there might be something to be said in that regard as well, does PNSO have a tendency to up the prices of more "popular" species and groups? Perhaps that's part of it. 


Gwangi

I have the Lambeosaurus and Corythosaurus and I adore them both. The Corythosaurus was my favorite release of 2020 and it's one of my top 5 PNSO figures, it was a must have for me. The head is large but in-hand it's not as jarring as it appears in production photos. The large head is partly an illusion I think, brought about by how the body turns.

I didn't get the Parasaurolophus because the genus is well represented in my collection and it's just too expensive, but it is a lovely piece. The Corythosaurus was expensive too, but it's a genus that doesn't receive much attention. I think the Lambeosaurus was perfect, not too big or small, exceptionally well crafted and painted, and affordable. It doesn't matter to me if the size, detail, or paint application of PNSO figures is pushing the price higher because I was comfortable with what they were making. The Parasaurolophus is not a sufficient enough improvement over the Lambeosaurus to cost twice as much and it's frankly not what I'm looking for from PNSO. I want smaller, more affordable products. Everyone has their cutoff point and PNSO has reached mine.

Faras

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Hmm marine and unpopular species tend to be cheaper, and imho majority of early releases aren't on pair with later stuffs so can't really compare the prices :) Yeah popular species do seem more expensive in general, tho they received more efforts and tend to be better, so it's hard to tell which contributed to price increase. Fine details require carefully checking and fixing moulds (maybe even some testing), spreading the cost could be tricky since they're releasing too fast and only selling 200-500 pcs per figures (I believe they intentionally skipped this step for Andrea/New Mamenchisaurus and messed up some details).

Some awful pics for comparison (yeah Parasaurolophus is much more bulky) :)
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Bread

Those are some good comparisons avatar_Faras @Faras, don't bash your photos! ;)

I can agree with what avatar_Gwangi @Gwangi has said for the most part. With prices rising and the result of Aliexpress sellers no longer having these products, I've just drifted away from their current releases. Few figures of PNSO's I want to acquire, but just waiting for all to be prime for free shipping. I just hope PNSO go back to more herbivores as I think they are some of PNSO's best products, and species that generally don't get enough or any attention would be great too.

ItsTwentyBelow

If someone could please provide the weight of both the Lambeosaurus and the Parasaurolophus in grams, that would be some good information to compare for those who do not own both models.

PhilSauria

I have to say that despite my ongoing loyalty to PNSO and their products that the steady rise in prices is beginning to erode that loyalty.

In short, and in the off chance that anyone from PNSO reads these posts - your product is becoming too bloody expensive!

Medzo

My main issue with these pricing and quality issues is the reliability of production. An example: I've returned my Sede ankylo because amazon damaged the product, but also its paint application was very faded compared to promo pictures Re-ordered asking them to be more careful, but they could naturally not affect the quality inside the wrapped box. Suprisingly the new piece had much better and stronger paint application.

I reckon it is an older figure but reading all your comments I see that there is still some variance in quality of paintjob within the same and between different products as well. So while I don't like raising prices, I would not mind them too much if I could be sure that I really get that very compact and reliable quality the promo pictures offer.

PNSO has to up its game with consistency of production quality, considering higher prices now.

Faras

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avatar_Bread @Bread hihi why thank you! ;)

avatar_ItsTwentyBelow @ItsTwentyBelow My Parasaurolophus is 324.15g and nearly twice as heavy as Lambeosaurus' 183.56g, more comparison pics here since I've taken them out of shelves (I'm often too lazy to take them out, sowwie :D)
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avatar_Medzo @Medzo Hmm actually Sede the Ankylosaurus got a paint revision recently (they promised that during 2020), you probably received old one first then got a new version after return.

Judging from pics in comments, most purchases made in official stores since mid July have better paints, retailers probably still have old stocks though so best not to buy from them (personally I plan to wait a bit more to be 100% sure of getting new one):
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Granted it's not as good as first version (esp the cheeks and legs) but still miles better than this:
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