Dino Hazard: New for 2021

[Dusty Wren]

I'm struggling to understand this. If this factory owner is scamming companies and not paying his employees, then he's the bad actor here. Getting distributors to boycott Vitae's products isn't going to solve the problem.

How did you even manage that? I can't imagine why a distributor would agree to a company's demand to stop selling products by another, unrelated company. 

[REBOR_STUDIO]

I'm struggling to understand this. If this factory owner is scamming companies and not paying his employees, then he's the bad actor here. Getting distributors to boycott Vitae's products isn't going to solve the problem.

How did you even manage that? I can't imagine why a distributor would agree to a company's demand to stop selling products by another, unrelated company.

It was Zheng who reached out to arist Cheung Chung Tat in his desperate and co-founded Vitae, in other words Zheng is also one of the owners and shareholders of Vitae which is why he's entitled to produce those simpler versions of Vitae dinosaurs on his own. See why it's necessary to boycott the brand now?

We simply told our sellers what Zheng did and they agreed not to import Vitae models although it wasn't easy to convince some sellers who've already palced their ordres and we had to cover their losses.

Zheng will never change as he's still illegally selling Dino Hazard's Irritator at his own 1688.com store after both Hugo and Cheung Chung Tat confronted him:

https://detail.1688.com/offer/643036980290.html?spm=a26352.13672862.offerlist.1.6af61e62InYSQ6

If you translate the page into English you'll see that the store is called "Dongguan Shihu Industrial Co., Ltd" which is the name of his already liquidated company. The page shows that he's already sold ¥9153 at ¥249 in 30 days(it was ¥149 a few days ago) and there are still 95 boxes available, then plus those he's already distributed to those sellers on Aliexpress and eBay, are we really going to believe that he only produced 100 basic version behind Dino Hazard's back? Remember the page used to have several options to choose from.

[Rain]

So to get things straight, the reason you boycotted Vitae because they're co-owned by Zheng, and he engages in very shady practices?

Also, I'm assuming this part earlier, was you being sarcastic?

About the backstabbing part-we heard that Vitae've been telling others that their products are far superior to ours so we chose to boycott them because we either jealous or afraid of them

[REBOR_STUDIO]

So to get things straight, the reason you boycotted Vitae because they're co-owned by Zheng, and he engages in very shady practices?

Also, I'm assuming this part earlier, was you being sarcastic?

About the backstabbing part-we heard that Vitae've been telling others that their products are far superior to ours so we chose to boycott them because we either jealous or afraid of them

"Very shady practices" cannot describe what he did, the word should be "illegal". The only reason he's able to blackmail us is because he threatened us that if he cannot get the amount of money he asked for(possibly to cover his gambling debt or even the amount he owed PNSO) he'll then damage our moulds so that even if he lost the case and went to jail we still wouldn't be able to use our moulds anymore and we wouldn't get any compensation because he didn't have any money or properties under his name.

Zheng doesn't have a physical factory and often has to beg other factories to manufacture products for him, he even came to our factory earlier this year and claimed that he got a large order and would split the profit with them if they can help him out, our factory's owner knows what kind of person he is so he refused his offer. He also told us about this and we just laughed it off, we didn't know it was Dino Hazard's Irritator back then or we'd warn them.

No, but it might not be said by arist Cheung Chung Tat but Zheng himself cus Vitae has more than one owner. We've been praising Cheung Chung Tat's works since he started his Dino-Soar Studio.

[suspsy]

This is all very convoluted and depressing to read.

[Rain]

Thanks for clearing things up, I'm still a bit confused but things are a bit clearer than before. What a horrible start for Yvy :/

EDIT: For anyone that's confused about the part I quoted in my previous message, I just realized what REBOR meant. They're not saying they boycotted Vitae because they were "either jealous or afraid" but rather saying that Vitae has been telling "others" that REBOR is boycotting them "because Vitae products are superior to REBOR products".

If all this is true, which it seems to be based on all the listings for the "bootleg" irritators and Hugo himself stating Zheng went uncooperative when confronted, then I'm definitely going to avoid Vitae products going forward.

[Mattyonyx]

Many of these post seem contradictory, to say at least.

We've been trying to warn Vitae from the very beginning sadly they won't listen, instead they believed in lies told by that scum bag and backstabbed us on numerous occasions so we had no choice but to ask our sellers to boycott Vitae which is the very reason why their products disappread from most stores.

Here, you said that Vitae and Zheng's factory are two separate entities. Vitae good, Zheng bad, to make it simple.

Vitae can always choose another factory and we'll fully support them as soon as they left Zheng. Now we can only assume that Vitae either don't know what Zheng have done or didn't believe it, or already in too deep to move on which is even worse cus they should not introduce a criminal who got them into this to Dino Hazard.

Here you basically blackmail Vitae for something that's between them and the factory.

About the backstabbing part-we heard that Vitae've been telling others that their products are far superior to ours so we chose to boycott them because we either jealous or afraid of them which doesn't make any sense, we've been saying the same thing on this forum from the very beginning that we don't see other brands as competitors because it will take the collective effort of all manufacturers to make the dinosaur collectables market thrive.

Then you admit the boycotting was unrelated to Zheng's activities, which you used to convince the sellers, but was more of a revenge sprang by rumors . So, instead of letting the quality of your products talk, you elaborated an intricate plan to destroy them.

You can still purchase Vitae products directly from them at reasonable prices so we don't see why this is hurting collectors.

You know that the life of any company depends on selling stocks to the resellers. The collectors alone cannot ensure their survival.

It was Zheng who reached out to arist Cheung Chung Tat in his desperate and co-founded Vitae, in other words Zheng is also one of the owners and shareholders of Vitae which is why he's entitled to produce those simpler versions of Vitae dinosaurs on his own. See why it's necessary to boycott the brand now?

Then, you're telling that Vitae couldn't exist without Zheng, so what's the point of asking Vitae to part ways with it?

No, but it might not be said by arist Cheung Chung Tat but Zheng himself cus Vitae has more than one owner. We've been praising Cheung Chung Tat's works since he started his Dino-Soar Studio.

You're talking like you're doing him good, when it's your boycotting that caused him so much loss. Does he even know about it?

Since this is a Dino Hazard thread, the statement made by Hugo is the most important one, and now I'm starting to think you are using the situation for some personal feud, without even being consistent.

[REBOR_STUDIO]

Many of these post seem contradictory, to say at least.

We've been trying to warn Vitae from the very beginning sadly they won't listen, instead they believed in lies told by that scum bag and backstabbed us on numerous occasions so we had no choice but to ask our sellers to boycott Vitae which is the very reason why their products disappread from most stores.

Here, you said that Vitae and Zheng's factory are two separate entities. Vitae good, Zheng bad, to make it simple.

Vitae can always choose another factory and we'll fully support them as soon as they left Zheng. Now we can only assume that Vitae either don't know what Zheng have done or didn't believe it, or already in too deep to move on which is even worse cus they should not introduce a criminal who got them into this to Dino Hazard.

Here you basically blackmail Vitae for something that's between them and the factory.

About the backstabbing part-we heard that Vitae've been telling others that their products are far superior to ours so we chose to boycott them because we either jealous or afraid of them which doesn't make any sense, we've been saying the same thing on this forum from the very beginning that we don't see other brands as competitors because it will take the collective effort of all manufacturers to make the dinosaur collectables market thrive.

Then you admit the boycotting was unrelated to Zheng's activities, which you used to convince the sellers, but was more of a revenge sprang by rumors . So, instead of letting the quality of your products talk, you elaborated an intricate plan to destroy them.

You can still purchase Vitae products directly from them at reasonable prices so we don't see why this is hurting collectors.

You know that the life of any company depends on selling stocks to the resellers. The collectors alone cannot ensure their survival.

It was Zheng who reached out to arist Cheung Chung Tat in his desperate and co-founded Vitae, in other words Zheng is also one of the owners and shareholders of Vitae which is why he's entitled to produce those simpler versions of Vitae dinosaurs on his own. See why it's necessary to boycott the brand now?

Then, you're telling that Vitae couldn't exist without Zheng, so what's the point of asking Vitae to part ways with it?

No, but it might not be said by arist Cheung Chung Tat but Zheng himself cus Vitae has more than one owner. We've been praising Cheung Chung Tat's works since he started his Dino-Soar Studio.

You're talking like you're doing him good, when it's your boycotting that caused him so much loss. Does he even know about it?

Since this is a Dino Hazard thread, the statement made by Hugo is the most important one, and now I'm starting to think you are using the situation for some personal feud, without even being consistent.

Look if you think we are the bad guys here then so be it, we don't owe you an explanation.

[Leyster]

Look if you think we are the bad guys here then so be it, we don't owe you an explanation.

I think that Mattyonyx raised some seriously noteworthy issues, expecially since Rebor here seems more interested in persecuting this guy named Zheng than Hugo Cafasso, that should by all means be the aggrieved party, and this looks quite paradoxical.

[Rain]

@Mattyonyx

I think you're misunderstanding parts of their message, which is no fault of your own since it's fairly poorly written. Since they won't respond, I thought I would.

Many of these post seem contradictory, to say at least.

We've been trying to warn Vitae from the very beginning sadly they won't listen, instead they believed in lies told by that scum bag and backstabbed us on numerous occasions so we had no choice but to ask our sellers to boycott Vitae which is the very reason why their products disappread from most stores.

Here, you said that Vitae and Zheng's factory are two separate entities. Vitae good, Zheng bad, to make it simple.

Vitae can always choose another factory and we'll fully support them as soon as they left Zheng. Now we can only assume that Vitae either don't know what Zheng have done or didn't believe it, or already in too deep to move on which is even worse cus they should not introduce a criminal who got them into this to Dino Hazard.

Here you basically blackmail Vitae for something that's between them and the factory.

About the backstabbing part-we heard that Vitae've been telling others that their products are far superior to ours so we chose to boycott them because we either jealous or afraid of them which doesn't make any sense, we've been saying the same thing on this forum from the very beginning that we don't see other brands as competitors because it will take the collective effort of all manufacturers to make the dinosaur collectables market thrive.

Then you admit the boycotting was unrelated to Zheng's activities, which you used to convince the sellers, but was more of a revenge sprang by rumors . So, instead of letting the quality of your products talk, you elaborated an intricate plan to destroy them.

Regarding the first quote, I don't think they're necessarily separating the two, just stating the poor practices are solely the result of Zheng and not the rest of the company.

I had already elaborated on the third quote in my comment posted prior to yours. It's just, again, poorly written. They're not saying they boycotted Vitae because they had superior products but rather Vitae went around stating the reason theyre being boycotted by REBOR is because Vitae has superior products to REBOR. Nor are they saying they boycotted them because of that that statement Vitae made. (Which wouldn't make sense because it quite clearly implies this happened AFTER the boycotting.)

They also made clear the boycotting is a result of the company being co-owned by Zheng, who is actually blackmailing REBOR.

You can still purchase Vitae products directly from them at reasonable prices so we don't see why this is hurting collectors.

You know that the life of any company depends on selling stocks to the resellers. The collectors alone cannot ensure their survival.

It was Zheng who reached out to arist Cheung Chung Tat in his desperate and co-founded Vitae, in other words Zheng is also one of the owners and shareholders of Vitae which is why he's entitled to produce those simpler versions of Vitae dinosaurs on his own. See why it's necessary to boycott the brand now?

Then, you're telling that Vitae couldn't exist without Zheng, so what's the point of asking Vitae to part ways with it?

They're not stating Vitae can survive with consumers purchasing directly, only stating the boycott doesn't have a profound effect on consumers themselves.

And that's a bit of a stretch. You have no idea how much stock Zheng has in the company, perhaps it could be bought back by the rest of Vitae's owners or even a new investor given the name Vitae has built themselves.

At the end of the day, REBOR isn't a big company at all, they don't have much pull and even so all these big retailers chose to boycott Vitae with them rather than continue to make profits selling their products. The evidence must be quite damning hence why I'm more inclined to side with them.

Like I previously mentioned, the fact that this isn't the first time this has happened, we all saw the cheaper Vitae gigas, in conjunction with there being far more than just 100 "extra copies" and Hugo himself stating Zheng was uncooperative makes it pretty clear this is a shady individual.

[stargatedalek]

Many of these post seem contradictory, to say at least.

We've been trying to warn Vitae from the very beginning sadly they won't listen, instead they believed in lies told by that scum bag and backstabbed us on numerous occasions so we had no choice but to ask our sellers to boycott Vitae which is the very reason why their products disappread from most stores.

Here, you said that Vitae and Zheng's factory are two separate entities. Vitae good, Zheng bad, to make it simple.

Vitae can always choose another factory and we'll fully support them as soon as they left Zheng. Now we can only assume that Vitae either don't know what Zheng have done or didn't believe it, or already in too deep to move on which is even worse cus they should not introduce a criminal who got them into this to Dino Hazard.

Here you basically blackmail Vitae for something that's between them and the factory.

About the backstabbing part-we heard that Vitae've been telling others that their products are far superior to ours so we chose to boycott them because we either jealous or afraid of them which doesn't make any sense, we've been saying the same thing on this forum from the very beginning that we don't see other brands as competitors because it will take the collective effort of all manufacturers to make the dinosaur collectables market thrive.

Then you admit the boycotting was unrelated to Zheng's activities, which you used to convince the sellers, but was more of a revenge sprang by rumors . So, instead of letting the quality of your products talk, you elaborated an intricate plan to destroy them.

You can still purchase Vitae products directly from them at reasonable prices so we don't see why this is hurting collectors.

You know that the life of any company depends on selling stocks to the resellers. The collectors alone cannot ensure their survival.

It was Zheng who reached out to arist Cheung Chung Tat in his desperate and co-founded Vitae, in other words Zheng is also one of the owners and shareholders of Vitae which is why he's entitled to produce those simpler versions of Vitae dinosaurs on his own. See why it's necessary to boycott the brand now?

Then, you're telling that Vitae couldn't exist without Zheng, so what's the point of asking Vitae to part ways with it?

No, but it might not be said by arist Cheung Chung Tat but Zheng himself cus Vitae has more than one owner. We've been praising Cheung Chung Tat's works since he started his Dino-Soar Studio.

You're talking like you're doing him good, when it's your boycotting that caused him so much loss. Does he even know about it?

Since this is a Dino Hazard thread, the statement made by Hugo is the most important one, and now I'm starting to think you are using the situation for some personal feud, without even being consistent.

Look if you think we are the bad guys here then so be it, we don't owe you an explanation.

I think when you make vague public accusations you do owe people an explanation...

[REBOR_STUDIO]

@Mattyonyx

I think you're misunderstanding parts of their message, which is no fault of your own since it's fairly poorly written. Since they won't respond, I thought I would.

Many of these post seem contradictory, to say at least.

We've been trying to warn Vitae from the very beginning sadly they won't listen, instead they believed in lies told by that scum bag and backstabbed us on numerous occasions so we had no choice but to ask our sellers to boycott Vitae which is the very reason why their products disappread from most stores.

Here, you said that Vitae and Zheng's factory are two separate entities. Vitae good, Zheng bad, to make it simple.

Vitae can always choose another factory and we'll fully support them as soon as they left Zheng. Now we can only assume that Vitae either don't know what Zheng have done or didn't believe it, or already in too deep to move on which is even worse cus they should not introduce a criminal who got them into this to Dino Hazard.

Here you basically blackmail Vitae for something that's between them and the factory.

About the backstabbing part-we heard that Vitae've been telling others that their products are far superior to ours so we chose to boycott them because we either jealous or afraid of them which doesn't make any sense, we've been saying the same thing on this forum from the very beginning that we don't see other brands as competitors because it will take the collective effort of all manufacturers to make the dinosaur collectables market thrive.

Then you admit the boycotting was unrelated to Zheng's activities, which you used to convince the sellers, but was more of a revenge sprang by rumors . So, instead of letting the quality of your products talk, you elaborated an intricate plan to destroy them.

Regarding the first quote, I don't think they're necessarily separating the two, just stating the poor practices are solely the result of Zheng and not the rest of the company.

I had already elaborated on the third quote in my comment posted prior to yours. It's just, again, poorly written. They're not saying they boycotted Vitae because they had superior products but rather Vitae went around stating the reason theyre being boycotted by REBOR is because Vitae has superior products to REBOR. Nor are they saying they boycotted them because of that that statement Vitae made. (Which wouldn't make sense because it quite clearly implies this happened AFTER the boycotting.)

They also made clear the boycotting is a result of the company being co-owned by Zheng, who is actually blackmailing REBOR.

You can still purchase Vitae products directly from them at reasonable prices so we don't see why this is hurting collectors.

You know that the life of any company depends on selling stocks to the resellers. The collectors alone cannot ensure their survival.

It was Zheng who reached out to arist Cheung Chung Tat in his desperate and co-founded Vitae, in other words Zheng is also one of the owners and shareholders of Vitae which is why he's entitled to produce those simpler versions of Vitae dinosaurs on his own. See why it's necessary to boycott the brand now?

Then, you're telling that Vitae couldn't exist without Zheng, so what's the point of asking Vitae to part ways with it?

They're not stating Vitae can survive with consumers purchasing directly, only stating the boycott doesn't have a profound effect on consumers themselves.

And that's a bit of a stretch. You have no idea how much stock Zheng has in the company, perhaps it could be bought back by the rest of Vitae's owners or even a new investor given the name Vitae has built themselves.

At the end of the day, REBOR isn't a big company at all, they don't have much pull and even so all these big retailers chose to boycott Vitae with them rather than continue to make profits selling their products. The evidence must be quite damning hence why I'm more inclined to side with them.

Like I previously mentioned, the fact that this isn't the first time this has happened, we all saw the cheaper Vitae gigas, in conjunction with there being far more than just 100 "extra copies" and Hugo himself stating Zheng was uncooperative makes it pretty clear this is a shady individual.

Exactly. @Mattyonyx you need to see the bigger picture, artist Cheung Chung Tat has more than one brand under his name and can sell Vitae figures on his own Facebook page so if you like his art style then you can always order Vitae figures directly from him, not to mention Cheung Chung Tat isn't even the main investor of Vitae, Zheng is, their agreement was Zheng covering the costs in exchange for Cheung Chung Tat's sculpts so the boycotting won't hurt Cheung Chung Tat at all; more importantly it's the sellers who chose to boycott Vitae after they learned what kind of person they were dealing with because no seller wants to see people can suddently get genuine Vitae figures on Wish or Aliexpress for one third of his/her listing prices after he/she just spent a fortune on importing the Vitae range. This is exactly what's happening to Dino Hazard's irritator, the listing price of the standard version on their website is 350 Brazilian real or 70 quid yet people can get the exact same thing on ebay/Aliexpress/1688 for merely 20 quid, the worst part is more than 100 people have already bought these "illegal copies" which should have been 7000 quid cash flow for Dino Hazard, and God knows how many more copies Zheng has, do you see the problem now?

The whole idea of boycotting Vitae is to put a leash on Zheng by limiting the amount of cash flow he can control so that he'd only have enough money to pay the costs and live a normal life, or he would keep gambling, finding himself in greater debts and eventually luring more victims into his trap to pay for his own mistakes. Perhaps you don't know what a compulsive gambler is? Zheng will never change and Dino Hazard might find themselves in the same dilemma PNSO and us faced back in October 2015 should they decide to keep working with Zheng.

"expecially since Rebor here seems more interested in persecuting this guy named Zheng than Hugo Cafasso"

L @Leyster "persecuting"? Really? All we did was to warn Dino Hazard the risks of working with Zheng by sharing our stories then some pepole were interested in the Vitae part so we elaborated. Should we not expose the full name, address, company name and webstore of Zheng to give Dino Hazard more leverage when comforting him?

[ITdactyl]

Sorry, can we (and I ask ever so humbly) reduce the block quotes of entire conversations?

Also, per his last message, it seems Hugo has already decided to deal with the Irritator issue his own way.
I think the best way we can help him is to spread the word on where to officially get the Irritator model.

[Fembrogon]

Yeah, at this point we're getting off topic. Perhaps this discussion should be migrated to one of the REBOR or Vitae threads now?

I'm glad Mr. Cafasso has been able to nip this issue in the bud; hopefully Yvy Figures' next model will have a smoother production run.

[Mattyonyx]

@REBOR_STUDIO this explanation is even more convoluted than the previous posts, I sincerely hope you realize that, and I'm still shocked some people don't realize how serious your claims are, especially when more people than just Zheng are involved.

As I said, this is a Dino Hazard thread, and I was the first user to raise a warning about the extra copies on Aliexpress, so from now on we should wait for updates from Hugo and, if there's a chance, Cheung Chung Tat himself, because they are those who worked on this beautiful model and are working together on a solution.

[REBOR_STUDIO]

@REBOR_STUDIO this explanation is even more convoluted than the previous posts, I sincerely hope you realize that, and I'm still shocked some people don't realize how serious your claims are, especially when more people than just Zheng are involved.

As I said, this is a Dino Hazard thread, and I was the first user to raise a warning about the extra copies on Aliexpress, so from now on we should wait for updates from Hugo and, if there's a chance, Cheung Chung Tat himself, because they are those who worked on this beautiful model and are working together on a solution.

Did you realise how serious our claims yourself? Do you not see what kind of person Team Dino Hazard is dealing with? You call this convoluted but how are we supposed to let everyone understand without explaining all those details? Remember us and PNSO are also the victims of Zheng just like Dino Hazard and we are full members of this forum so we have the right to share our side of the story.

If it's too hard to understand then just ingore our posts and move on, those information are not for you anyway.

[Dusty Wren]

@REBOR_STUDIO this explanation is even more convoluted than the previous posts, I sincerely hope you realize that, and I'm still shocked some people don't realize how serious your claims are, especially when more people than just Zheng are involved.

As I said, this is a Dino Hazard thread, and I was the first user to raise a warning about the extra copies on Aliexpress, so from now on we should wait for updates from Hugo and, if there's a chance, Cheung Chung Tat himself, because they are those who worked on this beautiful model and are working together on a solution.

Did you realise how serious our claims yourself? Do you not see what kind of person Team Dino Hazard is dealing with? You call this convoluted but how are we supposed to let everyone understand without explaining all those details? Remember us and PNSO are also the victims of Zheng just like Dino Hazard and we are full members of this forum so we have the right to share our side of the story.

It's not the story that's the problem, it's how you're telling us the story. You left out some important details in your first posts--like the fact that Zheng is a co-owner of Vitae, which is necessary context to understand why you decided to urge distributors boycott Vitae. You've made it very hard to follow what actually happened, and I'm not sure why.

If your goal is to warn other companies about Zheng's predatory practices so they don't make the mistake of going into business with him, you need to communicate the issues more clearly.

Regardless, Fembrogon is right and we're way off topic. I wish Dino Hazard all the best while sorting out this mess, because their Irritator is gorgeous and I really hope they can keep making figures.

[ITdactyl]

Hi Team, we have another clarification from Yvy

"We have just the Dino Hazard™️ Irritator challengeri STANDARD version available for international sales. The version with BASIC painting and no box is not authorized for international sales."

For reference of everyone outside Brazil.

[Halichoeres]

Not sure why, but reading this thread, I keep thinking of high school lit class https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator

[hugocafasso]

Hello friends,

I come again to thank you for your support and to inform you that the situation with our supplier in China has been resolved.

Some unauthorized products are still being marketed on AliExpress International. These are products that should have been destroyed, as they have production defects. Our manufacturer, Mr. Zheng, is already contacting retailers to take these remaining defective products out of circulation.

Although I appreciate your concerns about our collaboration with Mr. Zheng, I want to assure everyone that our experience with this manufacturer is evolving peacefully. Mr. Zheng is taking all possible steps for redress and is cooperating proactively. We do not want our situation to be used to talk irresponsibly about manufacturers disputes nor to promote the boycott of other toy brands, in particular Mr. Chung Tat's Vitae, who has already been unfairly attacked in the past.

Thank you all for your support,
Hugo Cafasso