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[bmathison1972]

The vast majority of people who have cast votes have included Jaekelopterus. Keep in mind these will essentially appear as small thumbnails which means the fish would be tiny and may be barely appreciable.

[Joliezac]

I'm not picky and honestly only see the banner for a few seconds before scrolling down, but I think any of the following deserve to be on there (my favorites in bold):

-Haolonggood Triceratops
-Haolonggood Argentinosaurus
-Haolonggood Stegosaurus
-Papo Suchomimus
-Papo Edmontosaurus
-Papo Anhanguera
-Eofauna Mastodon
-Eofauna Ankylosaurus
-Eofauna Columbian Mammoth
-Rebor "Kiss" Island Version
-PNSO Lufengosaurus
-PNSO Lokiceratops
-PNSO Tyrannotitan
-Safari Ltd Austroraptor
-Safari Ltd Megalosaurus
-Safari Ltd Nanuqsaurus
-CollectA Short-Faced Bear
-CollectA Gallimimus
-CollectA Sea Scorpion

[ceratopsian]

Additions to my original Argentinosaurus:

PNSO Lufengosaurus
PNSO Lokiceratops
Haolonggood Triceratops

[GojiraGuy1954]

I think the Colombian Mammoth from EoFauna deserves a spot. And put some of Papo's new stuff there. Edmontosaurus and Anhanguera I say.

[Faelrin]

Okay so now that is confirmed the BotM Stegosaurus is planned for 2025, I would like to suggest that as an either or for the Allosaurus I mentioned earlier. It's so gorgeous.

[suspsy]

Okay so now that is confirmed the BotM Stegosaurus is planned for 2025, I would like to suggest that as an either or for the Allosaurus I mentioned earlier. It's so gorgeous.

I second this. On that note, I wonder if there'll eventually be a 1:35 scale version.

[Concavenator]

These are my suggestions:

1. HAOLONGGOOD Amargasaurus (sauropod)
2. HAOLONGGOOD Huayangosaurus (stegosaurian)
3. PNSO Lokiceratops (ceratopsid)
4. PNSO Edmontosaurus (hadrosaurid)
5. Eofauna Ankylosaurus (ankylosaurian)
6. Eofauna Columbian mammoth (non-dinosaur, mammal)
7. Papo Anhanguera (non-dinosaur, pterosaur)
8. Mojo Cryptoclidus (non-dinosaur, marine reptile)
9. BotM Dilophosaurus (basal theropod)
10. CollectA Gallimimus (derived theropod and very requested species)
11. Safari Megalosaurus (a carnosaur)
12. Colorata cephalopod (invertebrate)

I tried creating the most phylogenetically-diverse lineup possible with the least number of figures. Went with Colorata's cephalopod instead of the CollectA Jaekelopterus everyone is saying because I took into consideration @Sim 's personal annoyance with that figure. It's not the end of the world if that figure doesn't make it into the banner, and nothing's stopping any of you guys from getting that figure if so you wish. Further, if any of us were so annoyed by a particular figure for whatever reason, we wouldn't want it in the banner either. A little empathy is welcome.

That aside, even though I suggested the aforementioned figures, I especially want to recommend PNSO's Lokiceratops and any Eofauna figure. The former would be super interesting to have on the banner for 2025, as something that's completely new. Both the figure and the species it represents were revealed in 2024, so that's as much a "novelty" as it gets.

And as for an Eofauna figure, it's not just that it would be interesting to have one on the banner, but it's just disrespectful that they have never made it into any of these banners. Sorry, there's no two ways about it. That's got to be fixed. I suggested the Ankylosaurus and the Columbian mammoth since both are new for 2025, and the former is a dinosaur and the latter a rather-requested non-dinosaur. But I'd be OK with the Tyrannosaurus and/or the mastodon being included instead.

[Sim]

Thanks, I just want to clarify that the CollectA sea scorpion doesn't annoy me, it causes me distress.  It would be the same with CollectA's Tyrannosaurus with prey or any of CollectA's dinosaur corpses.

[thomasw100]

I think the PNSO Lokiceratops should be definitely included in order to show appreciation of this collaboration between PNSO and the scientists that have described this species. We definitely want to see more such collaborations.

[suspsy]

I actually happen to work with students who have autism and one thing we really do try to instil in them is the understanding that the world cannot and will not always accommodate their requests. It's simply not fair or reasonable for any member to demand that a certain toy be omitted from the banner, especially when many more members have specifically requested it. Moreover, as @Gwangi and I both noted, the easiest solution would be to conceal the entrapped fish behind one of the letters in the wording.

[Sim]

No-one is demanding a figure not be put in the banner.  I also don't think it's wrong to request a figure not be put in the banner.  I'm aware that my requests won't always be granted.  I could request Jurassic World toys not be put in the banner as I find them annoying.  But I'm tolerating them.

[suspsy]

No-one is demanding a figure not be put in the banner.  I also don't think it's wrong to request a figure not be put in the banner.

Okay. But can you acknowledge that many other members do want it there, and that their requests matter just as much as your own? Some of the students I've worked with hate Phys.Ed. and refuse to participate in it, but that doesn't mean that we cancel Phys.Ed. for the whole class.

I'm aware that my requests won't always be granted.  I could request Jurassic World toys not be put in the banner as I find them annoying.  But I'm tolerating them.

Then that raises another question: could you tolerate that sea scorpion in the banner if the fish (which again, could very well wriggle free at any moment) was concealed by lettering? Because requesting that it be omitted is really no different from requesting that JW toys being omitted.

[Sim]

But can you acknowledge that many other members do want it there, and that their requests matter just as much as your own?

I am aware many members want the sea scorpion in the banner.  But I'm not sure the pleasure one gets from it being there is worth another member feeling distress every time they see it, considering also that the banner will have plenty of other figures the former want in there.

Then that raises another question: could you tolerate that sea scorpion in the banner if the fish (which again, could very well wriggle free at any moment) was concealed by lettering? Because requesting that it be omitted is really no different from requesting that JW toys being omitted.

For me there is a difference.  Jurassic World toys are simply annoying to me.  But an active case of predation is stressful for me to see repeatedly.  I'm not sure how I would feel if the fish was concealed by letters.  Sometimes with me I only know how I feel once I experience it.  I do know however that seeing the sea scorpion grasping its prey repeatedly is something that would cause me trouble.  I've been thinking about how to deal with it if it does appear in the banner, and I think what I would do is always try to quickly scroll the page down so I see it the minimum.  I'm sure it won't be easy for the whole time it's in there.

[suspsy]

But can you acknowledge that many other members do want it there, and that their requests matter just as much as your own?

I am aware many members want the sea scorpion in the banner.  But I'm not sure the pleasure one gets from it being there is worth another member feeling distress every time they see it, considering also that the banner will have plenty of other figures the former want in there.

But that last statement of yours actually does imply that you believe other members' feelings are somehow worth less than your own, whether you meant it to or not. You're arguing that the pleasure they get from including an invertebrate (indeed, the only invertebrate announced for 2025 thus far) in the banner cannot possibly be greater or equal in importance to the distress that you claim occurs simply because said invertebrate happens to be clutching a small fish in its pincer. On that note, just how much distress are we talking about here? Does this toy really put you in the yellow zone or the red zone every single time you happen to see it?

Then that raises another question: could you tolerate that sea scorpion in the banner if the fish (which again, could very well wriggle free at any moment) was concealed by lettering? Because requesting that it be omitted is really no different from requesting that JW toys being omitted.

For me there is a difference.  Jurassic World toys are simply annoying to me.  But an active case of predation is stressful for me to see repeatedly.

Well, you may want to consider looking into some coping mechanisms or possibly even counselling to deal better with that issue, because the simple fact is that you're in a hobby where active cases of predation are depicted regularly. The Jaekelopterus is not the first toy to be sculpted this way and it definitely won't be the last. Beyond that, there's paleoart in general. You'd be hard-pressed indeed to find a single illustrated dinosaur book that doesn't include at least one depiction of active predation, whether it's a Tyrannosaurus rex biting down on a Triceratops or a Pteranodon holding a fish in its bill or a mammoth getting speared by Neanderthals. And then there's natural history museums with all their skeletal mounts and dioramas. The American Museum of Natural History includes an Allosaurus standing atop a Brontosaurus spine, an Amphicyon chasing a Ramoceros, a pack of spotted hyenas devouring a zebra carcass, and a kingsnake constricting a rattlesnake among other displays. Is the museum "wrong" to include all these displays because they upset some people?

I'm not sure how I would feel if the fish was concealed by letters.  Sometimes with me I only know how I feel once I experience it.  I do know however that seeing the sea scorpion grasping its prey repeatedly is something that would cause me trouble.  I've been thinking about how to deal with it if it does appear in the banner, and I think what I would do is always try to quickly scroll the page down so I see it the minimum.  I'm sure it won't be easy for the whole time it's in there.

I do think you should put in the effort to try. Removing a trigger can seem like the best coping solution, and in some cases it is, but it becomes a problem when it's impeding on other people's enjoyment of something. In situations like that, it is good to ask oneself what they can do to adapt instead.

[Sim]

But that last statement of yours actually does imply that you believe other members' feelings are somehow worth less than your own, whether you meant it to or not. You're arguing that the pleasure they get from including an invertebrate (indeed, the only invertebrate announced for 2025 thus far) in the banner cannot possibly be greater or equal in importance to the distress that you claim occurs simply because said invertebrate happens to be clutching a small fish in its pincer. On that note, just how much distress are we talking about here? Does this toy really put you in the yellow zone or the red zone every single time you happen to see it?

It doesn't imply that.  I've left it open for anyone to decide.  Personally, if it were someone else that was feeling this way I would pick not having the figure in the banner.  But that's only my opinion.  With regards to your last question, I will simply say that I feel we've been discussing me more than I'm comfortable with.  Plus, what I say below.

Well, you may want to consider looking into some coping mechanisms or possibly even counselling to deal better with that issue, because the simple fact is that you're in a hobby where active cases of predation are depicted regularly. The Jaekelopterus is not the first toy to be sculpted this way and it definitely won't be the last. Beyond that, there's paleoart in general. You'd be hard-pressed indeed to find a single illustrated dinosaur book that doesn't include at least one depiction of active predation, whether it's a Tyrannosaurus rex biting down on a Triceratops or a Pteranodon holding a fish in its bill or a mammoth getting speared by Neanderthals. And then there's natural history museums with all their skeletal mounts and dioramas. The American Museum of Natural History includes an Allosaurus standing atop a Brontosaurus spine, an Amphicyon chasing a Ramoceros, a pack of spotted hyenas devouring a zebra carcass, and a kingsnake constricting a rattlesnake among other displays. Is the museum "wrong" to include all these displays because they upset some people?

The other situations you describe are different.  They aren't what one sees on a daily bases under normal circumstances.  I don't have a problem with those.  I can choose when to see them.  Having the sea scorpion in the banner would be something I'd see many times each day and it is stressful for me.  I have been trying to find coping mechanisms with my anxiety and I am receiving counselling...  I'm not sure what I'd like is achievable though...

I do think you should put in the effort to try. Removing a trigger can seem like the best coping solution, and in some cases it is, but it becomes a problem when it's impeding on other people's enjoyment of something. In situations like that, it is good to ask oneself what they can do to adapt instead.

Unfortunately even after years of trying to find a solution, triggers are very effective at troubling me.

[DinoToyForum]

Is the placoderm fish removable or fixed in the eurypterid toy? I'm thinking I could please everyone by including the eurypterid toy but not the prey. And even if it isn't actually removable I could just Photoshop it out, it would be easy to do - it would be about 7 pixels!

[DinoToyForum]

Here it is resized to the approximate size it will appear in the banner, 'fish' removed:

[suspsy]

Here it is resized to the approximate size it will appear in the banner, 'fish' removed:

This strikes me as a perfectly good solution. Kudos to our admin for the effort!

[thomasw100]

But that last statement of yours actually does imply that you believe other members' feelings are somehow worth less than your own, whether you meant it to or not. You're arguing that the pleasure they get from including an invertebrate (indeed, the only invertebrate announced for 2025 thus far) in the banner cannot possibly be greater or equal in importance to the distress that you claim occurs simply because said invertebrate happens to be clutching a small fish in its pincer. On that note, just how much distress are we talking about here? Does this toy really put you in the yellow zone or the red zone every single time you happen to see it?

I would say that the secret of people in a community getting on well with each other (or avoid falling apart) lies more in avoiding doing things that are hard to cope with for some rather than doing things that please some. This is a centuries old wisdom and it is good advice to take this into account.

[suspsy]

But that last statement of yours actually does imply that you believe other members' feelings are somehow worth less than your own, whether you meant it to or not. You're arguing that the pleasure they get from including an invertebrate (indeed, the only invertebrate announced for 2025 thus far) in the banner cannot possibly be greater or equal in importance to the distress that you claim occurs simply because said invertebrate happens to be clutching a small fish in its pincer. On that note, just how much distress are we talking about here? Does this toy really put you in the yellow zone or the red zone every single time you happen to see it?

I would say that the secret of people in a community getting on well with each other (or avoid falling apart) lies more in avoiding doing things that are hard to cope with for some rather than doing things that please some. This is a centuries old wisdom and it is good advice to take this into account.

I would counter that democracy matters even more and that it is wholly impossible to accommodate or satisfy every single need, demand, and request. And that coping is life.