PNSO New for 2025

[Turkeysaurus]

What if new PNSO T.rex will be lipless too ? 

[thomasw100]

What if new PNSO T.rex will be lipless too ? 

Very unlikely, given that pictures of some early designs with lips have been circulating on social media.

Furthermore, PNSO has made three theropods with lips already. Why should they change back to lipless?

[DavidJamesArmsby]

What if new PNSO T.rex will be lipless too ? 

Very unlikely, given that pictures of some early designs with lips have been circulating on social media.

Furthermore, PNSO has made three theropods with lips already. Why should they change back to lipless?

Maybe I'm misremembering the order of releases, but haven't their last three theropods been lipless? Baryonyx, Spinosaurus, and Tyrannotitan. Spinosaurs can get away with it, but the switch back to lipless for Tyrannotitan is concerning.

I also see no point in releasing another lipless T. rex though, as it won't be enough of a change from Cameron otherwise.

[thomasw100]

What if new PNSO T.rex will be lipless too ? 

Very unlikely, given that pictures of some early designs with lips have been circulating on social media.

Furthermore, PNSO has made three theropods with lips already. Why should they change back to lipless?

Maybe I'm misremembering the order of releases, but haven't their last three theropods been lipless? Baryonyx, Spinosaurus, and Tyrannotitan. Spinosaurs can get away with it, but the switch back to lipless for Tyrannotitan is concerning.

I also see no point in releasing another lipless T. rex though, as it won't be enough of a change from Cameron otherwise.

You are correct that the last three PNSO theropods were without lips but the ones before these were with lips. PNSO discusses in one of their videos why they think that spinosaurs should not have lips, so this would explain why Baryonyx and Spinosaurus figures had no lips. And Tyrannotitan has been thought to have no lips either because to have all the carcharodontosaurs look comparable or because it was an old mold from the time before PNSO started to make (some) theropods with lips. So these three may have been an exception. But only time will tell.

[DavidJamesArmsby]

What if new PNSO T.rex will be lipless too ? 

Very unlikely, given that pictures of some early designs with lips have been circulating on social media.

Furthermore, PNSO has made three theropods with lips already. Why should they change back to lipless?

Maybe I'm misremembering the order of releases, but haven't their last three theropods been lipless? Baryonyx, Spinosaurus, and Tyrannotitan. Spinosaurs can get away with it, but the switch back to lipless for Tyrannotitan is concerning.

I also see no point in releasing another lipless T. rex though, as it won't be enough of a change from Cameron otherwise.

You are correct that the last three PNSO theropods were without lips but the ones before these were with lips. PNSO discusses in one of their videos why they think that spinosaurs should not have lips, so this would explain why Baryonyx and Spinosaurus figures had no lips. And Tyrannotitan has been thought to have no lips either because to have all the carcharodontosaurs look comparable or because it was an old mold from the time before PNSO started to make (some) theropods with lips. So these three may have been an exception. But only time will tell.

I really hope that's the case with the Tyrannotitan. Their three lipped theropods before that were all stunning. The Yangchuanosaurus magnus in particular is my favourite carnivore they've made.

[suspsy]

The Tyrannotitan bugs me as well, but it would be pretty darned pointless for PNSO to release yet another T. rex with exposed teeth. It would be utterly redundant and flat out boring at this point, and I do think Zhao Chuang at least is fully aware of that. And there is that famous digital rendition of a lipped T. rex out there. You don't go to all the trouble of creating and releasing an image like that if you're not serious about making a toy. Unless maybe you're Rebor.

At this point, there are not very many big theropods that PNSO hasn't already tackled. Abelisaurs, however, are still largely untouched. Megaraptorans as well.
 

[Joel1905]

The Tyrannotitan bugs me as well, but it would be pretty darned pointless for PNSO to release yet another T. rex with exposed teeth. It would be utterly redundant and flat out boring at this point, and I do think Zhao Chuang at least is fully aware of that. And there is that famous digital rendition of a lipped T. rex out there. You don't go to all the trouble of creating and releasing an image like that if you're not serious about making a toy. Unless maybe you're Rebor.

At this point, there are not very many big theropods that PNSO hasn't already tackled. Abelisaurs, however, are still largely untouched. Megaraptorans as well.
 

PNSO really should consider remaking their previous theropods with lips.

Tyrannosaurus Rex, Tarbosaurus, Albertosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Megalosaurus, Torvosaurus & Carnotaurus in particular.

[SRF]

I don't think PNSO is considering to remake lot of theropods with lips now that Haolonggood has shared that the Chinese like depictions of lipless theropods better than lipped theropods. Like Haolonggood, PNSO probably sells more figures within China than in the rest of the world. Meaning that lipped theropods other than T. rex probably wont sell as well worldwide that they are worth the investment.

[suspsy]

The Tyrannotitan bugs me as well, but it would be pretty darned pointless for PNSO to release yet another T. rex with exposed teeth. It would be utterly redundant and flat out boring at this point, and I do think Zhao Chuang at least is fully aware of that. And there is that famous digital rendition of a lipped T. rex out there. You don't go to all the trouble of creating and releasing an image like that if you're not serious about making a toy. Unless maybe you're Rebor.

At this point, there are not very many big theropods that PNSO hasn't already tackled. Abelisaurs, however, are still largely untouched. Megaraptorans as well.
 

PNSO really should consider remaking their previous theropods with lips.

Tyrannosaurus Rex, Tarbosaurus, Albertosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Megalosaurus, Torvosaurus & Carnotaurus in particular.

Yeah, those would indeed sell. I would probably buy a new Lythronax if it had lips. Oh, and there are still some tyrannosaurs that haven't been tackled by PNSO. Sinotyrannus, Bistahieversor, Teratophoneus, Dynamoterror, Nanuqsaurus, and Tyrannosaurus mcraeensis.

Also, I don't like that PNSO and Haolonggood are apparently bowing to public pressure for lipless theropods. I do get the business side of it, but that's no different from making featherless dromaeosaurs because the public is more familiar with them.

[Turkeysaurus]

Obviously companies will continue lipless theropods even when people who complain about it still buy them. It doesn't matter if you want lipped as long as you buy lipless. 

Only chance for lipped theropods if they exist more in popular media. Prehistoic Planet was a great first step. Now WWD. However Jurassic World is still a big problem. Main reason why people okay with lipped raptors but not T.rex is Jurassic Park/World influence.

I hope some company invest lipped theropods just like how Haolonggood invested in 1:35 large sauropods and dominates that niche.

[Turkeysaurus]

Also, I don't like that PNSO and Haolonggood are apparently bowing to public pressure for lipless theropods. I do get the business side of it, but that's no different from making featherless dromaeosaurs because the public is more familiar with them.

I don't think PNSO would bow to public pressure like Haolonggood. A few strong reasons:

1. Their owner is well known paleoartist in the field. It would be pressure on him to give theropods lips because of his real job.

2. Unlike Haolonggood, pnso explained why they choose lipless look based on science of that time. Dr. Thomas Carr's study on daspletosaurus and a few other stuff was their base. Now PNSO owner (Zhao) seems to changed his tune to possibly half lipped or full lipped after latest study. He even showed some versions of it.

3. PNSO's mission is being educational to the kids and they seem to take education/science part seriously not just toy brand like others.

So they have more inner pressure to make it more scientific than any other company. They might do half lipped (lower jaw lipless) but i don't think that makes a lot sense. Are there any other animals with half lips , even if there is it must be too rare to assume for theropods.

I think Haolonggood has no excuse though. They made a lipped daspletosaurus before pro-lips papers came out.

[Patrx]

My kingdom for a lipped, non-articulated Gorgosaurus (I do not have a kingdom.)

[thomasw100]

Also, I don't like that PNSO and Haolonggood are apparently bowing to public pressure for lipless theropods. I do get the business side of it, but that's no different from making featherless dromaeosaurs because the public is more familiar with them.

I don't think PNSO would bow to public pressure like Haolonggood. A few strong reasons:

1. Their owner is well known paleoartist in the field. It would be pressure on him to give theropods lips because of his real job.

2. Unlike Haolonggood, pnso explained why they choose lipless look based on science of that time. Dr. Thomas Carr's study on daspletosaurus and a few other stuff was their base. Now PNSO owner (Zhao) seems to changed his tune to possibly half lipped or full lipped after latest study. He even showed some versions of it.

3. PNSO's mission is being educational to the kids and they seem to take education/science part seriously not just toy brand like others.

So they have more inner pressure to make it more scientific than any other company. They might do half lipped (lower jaw lipless) but i don't think that makes a lot sense. Are there any other animals with half lips , even if there is it must be too rare to assume for theropods.

I think Haolonggood has no excuse though. They made a lipped daspletosaurus before pro-lips papers came out.

Absolutely agree with you that PNSO has a mission to make the scientifically most accurate figures of dinosaurs based on their review and evaluation of the literature. They may at times make decisions that others may disagree with but this is after all science. Science is never settled.

And I am not sure if someone noticed but Zhao Chuang recently made the illustrations for a paper in the prestigious journal Science. The paper describes early mammals from the Jurassic (http://www.pnso.org/?p=3139). Science and Nature are the two top of the line multidisciplinary journals in the entire field of natural sciences. After all, PNSO has built a great reputation which they need to uphold.

[jc_4130]

As far as motivation to go lipless, has anyone touched on the cost issue?  I don't know the industry, but I could see an articulated mouth costing more to produce with lips. The tolerances of the parts need to be tighter.  A slight misalignment that wouldn't be noticed on a lipless overbite jaw looks like crap once you add lips (I can vouch for this with my Eofauna Tyrannosaurus, which is just a little off and looks awful with the mouth closed).  Apologies if this has been hashed through already...

I will continue to die on the hill that movable jaws are dumb and should go the way of the... dinosaur

[Protopatch]

Obviously companies will continue lipless theropods even when people who complain about it still buy them.

The reasons for which most of the renowned as well as respectable companies such as PNSO or HLG continue to produce lipless figures, whereas a real demand for lipped ones does exist, remain quite obscure.
For marketing, cultural, technical, artistic or maybe, financial reasons... who knows ? There is obviously something that we fail to see.
In the meantime, they may wait for further strong evidence that theropods were (full) lipped ?
But if so, why PNSO, supposedly focused on scientifically accurate figures, would have already produced a figure of Nanotyrannus knowing that the validity of the species is still in discussion ?
In short, several questions remain without convincing answers, and the debate around lipless/lipped theropod figures is thus far from being closed. At least at the moment.

[Sim]

I think I remember reading that in China people think Nanotyrannus is valid, at least at the time the PNSO figure came out.  There's been recent arguments supporting its validity from respected palaeontologists too, so who knows I guess..  Personally, I doubt Nanotyrannus is valid, but I don't find the topic interesting..

[Halichoeres]

The Tyrannotitan bugs me as well, but it would be pretty darned pointless for PNSO to release yet another T. rex with exposed teeth. It would be utterly redundant and flat out boring at this point, and I do think Zhao Chuang at least is fully aware of that. And there is that famous digital rendition of a lipped T. rex out there. You don't go to all the trouble of creating and releasing an image like that if you're not serious about making a toy. Unless maybe you're Rebor.

At this point, there are not very many big theropods that PNSO hasn't already tackled. Abelisaurs, however, are still largely untouched. Megaraptorans as well.
 

PNSO really should consider remaking their previous theropods with lips.

Tyrannosaurus Rex, Tarbosaurus, Albertosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Megalosaurus, Torvosaurus & Carnotaurus in particular.

I can scarcely imagine a more tedious lineup. Like reliving 2022-2023 but with less-visible teeth.

[Turkeysaurus]

The Tyrannotitan bugs me as well, but it would be pretty darned pointless for PNSO to release yet another T. rex with exposed teeth. It would be utterly redundant and flat out boring at this point, and I do think Zhao Chuang at least is fully aware of that. And there is that famous digital rendition of a lipped T. rex out there. You don't go to all the trouble of creating and releasing an image like that if you're not serious about making a toy. Unless maybe you're Rebor.

At this point, there are not very many big theropods that PNSO hasn't already tackled. Abelisaurs, however, are still largely untouched. Megaraptorans as well.
 

PNSO really should consider remaking their previous theropods with lips.

Tyrannosaurus Rex, Tarbosaurus, Albertosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Megalosaurus, Torvosaurus & Carnotaurus in particular.

I can scarcely imagine a more tedious lineup. Like reliving 2022-2023 but with less-visible teeth.

Not if you don't have any of them like me. 

[SidB]

The Tyrannotitan bugs me as well, but it would be pretty darned pointless for PNSO to release yet another T. rex with exposed teeth. It would be utterly redundant and flat out boring at this point, and I do think Zhao Chuang at least is fully aware of that. And there is that famous digital rendition of a lipped T. rex out there. You don't go to all the trouble of creating and releasing an image like that if you're not serious about making a toy. Unless maybe you're Rebor.

At this point, there are not very many big theropods that PNSO hasn't already tackled. Abelisaurs, however, are still largely untouched. Megaraptorans as well.
 

PNSO really should consider remaking their previous theropods with lips.

Tyrannosaurus Rex, Tarbosaurus, Albertosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Megalosaurus, Torvosaurus & Carnotaurus in particular.

I can scarcely imagine a more tedious lineup. Like reliving 2022-2023 but with less-visible teeth.

If not financial suicide, it would be the next best thing to it. Best just to move on. If you are  really concerned to pick up one or more with lips , perhaps HLG will make one of these some day, or you could get a paleoartist to install lips. Not cheap, but it can be done, for a price.

[Prehistory Resurrection]