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Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

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Foxilized

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Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on November 26, 2014, 07:12:04 PM
We don't know that. The movie hasn't been seen yet so you can't say it's not explained to your satisfaction..correct?

Correct. But I won't shut upt. If the movie is absolutely flawless then I will shut up and eat the words of today.
Till then, I'll complain.  ;)


BTW: nice to talk to you again, Blade. It's been a long time since I don't do some forum, and interestingly enough it was this JW movie what got me excited enough to do it.  ;)


Megalosaurus

I think the hybrid is a SpinoTyrannus.
Sobreviviendo a la extinción!!!

Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on November 26, 2014, 07:09:15 PM
Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
I'll never understand the hate the entire Jurassic Park series receives here on a DINO forum.

Maybe cause you don't want to understand.

I'll try to, anyway.

You say we must thank these people for making dinosaurs popular.
Well, what this people is making popular is wrong ideas about dinosaurs.
What is to be thanked?



I'd say one thing here. Just about everyone who has visited our dinosaur park here has mentioned seeing Jurassic Park.  It did wonders for getting people into dinosaurs. Took my interest to a whole new level when I found out about it.  Yes it showcases a lot of incorrect information however that still gets them into dinosaur exhibits and museums where they can learn the truth and even more. I use our JP Raptor replica as a jumping off point when I talk about feathers, wrist orientation, ect..and it works because they recognize the film animal and can imagine what I'm talking about added to it.  For getting people to try and learn more about our prehistoric past , intentional or not, for that I thank them.

Maybe you should have kept reading my entire post.  ;)

I did just didn't want to copy it all..lol

Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on November 26, 2014, 07:12:04 PM
We don't know that. The movie hasn't been seen yet so you can't say it's not explained to your satisfaction..correct?

Correct. But I won't shut upt. If the movie is absolutely flawless then I will shut up and eat the words of today.
Till then, I'll complain.  ;)


BTW: nice to talk to you again, Blade. It's been a long time since I don't do some forum, and interestingly enough it was this JW movie what got me excited enough to do it.  ;)

You don't have too, just saying not to be so negative. lol  I'm sure the film will have a flaw here or there, the original did, the novel did, boy did the sequels..but I still enjoyed them enough to be a fan.

Same here, glad to see you back.

Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Megalosaurus on November 26, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
I think the hybrid is a SpinoTyrannus.

Umm..okay. lol  We actually know what it is comprised of. :)

Alex-DinoFood

Hi guys, I'm new here, just registered a few weeks back. I've been very busy lately and didn't have the time to post anything on any of the boards so far. My schedule finally relaxed & I, at last got some time for myself. Seeing that this is a moment many of us have been wating for 14 years, I thought It time to give my two cents about the JW Trailer. Hope nobody minds what I have to say:
In one word... I Loved It! I'm 30 years old, yet I was squeeking as a 9 year old when I saw the trailer last night. I couldn't belive it was finally happening, not after all these years. I still remember the day i saw the original Jurassic Park in 1994, on a friday - first day of spring vacation. (It came a year later here in Romania) And to this day it's still one of the greatest moments of my life. I loved dinosaurs before, but that was the day when I finally saw them as living creatures that actually lived on this earth. You couldn't really have this feeling drom any of the movies that came before, King Kong, 1000.000 BC. etc...
I had the same feeling three years later in 1997 when I saw The Lost World, still one of my favorite movies, don't care what anybody else says. Great action, atmosphere, dinosaurs, music... Good times.
Than I remember in early 2001 news that a third one was gonna be released, so naturally i was going crazy to know more about it. That was way before I had internet so news was still traveling by carrier pigeon.
Finally one night i caught a trailer for jp3 and i was so pumped. Oh little did I know... The movie came late autumn here, so before that I had managed to see al the trailers on tv plus the making of... so when I finally saw the movie...
I found out I had already seen the movie. Every dino scene, every action scene, everything of intrest from that 90 minute train wreck was already shown in the trailers and specials. Everything except the pteranodon scenes, some of them anyway. I remember walking out of the theatre sooooo disappointed... I remember in the making of how they hyped the story, that it was the best story yet, the new dinosaurs (all three seconds of them) the effects etc...
I had never been so disappointed by such an inept movie before. The fake looking jungle and island... (watch Kathleen Kennedy on the making of saying that she couldn't tell what was shot on the set and what was shot on location in hawaii... yeah right) the pijama wearing tub of lard that was the brachiosaurus, the oh so green t-rex... purple talking raptors, inept camera work, script and that appaling cinematography... the list goes on...
So imagine my surprise seeing the trailer last night. Something that actually looks ambitious and competent. Will it be a good movie? I dont know. Not after 2 and a half minutet, yet everybody acts like they already know it will fail. Especially on IMDB, I swear to God that forum filld up with imbeciles the moment the trailer arrived. I mean someone was complaining that they put a woman in charge of the park...
About the CGI, first of all the effects may not all be finnished, we still have 7 months besides remember this will be a 3D movie and in 3D the CGI will look even better. The hybrid dinosaur... Have you seen it? Me neither. We don't even know what he'l look like. We don't know anything. Besides I've always wanted to see the chameleon Carnotaurus scenes from The Lost World. It just won't be a carnotaurus. The news about a mutant dinosaur have been out there for months, yet people act like it's all just a big surprise or something.
All i know is I liked what I saw. A movie filmed in the open, seeing real jungle, a real river, seeing the first island again, not on a fake plastic set. The dinosaurs look like they belong in the same continuity and universe as Jurassic Park and The Lost World, just compare the Apatosaurus with the Mamenchisaurus from TLW and the Brachiosaurus from JP. You can thell they belong to tha same grup. Now compare them to that
jp3 abomination of a Brachiosaur...
It actually looks like some effort was put in place to make this a good film. If it will be... well we'l just gonna have to wait 7 months and than we can whine and bitch all we want.

By the way, sorry for rambling for so long, I just wanted to say all I had in one take. So... sory & don't kick my out...  :)

Meso-Cenozoic


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Alex-DinoFood

I actually read that script. It was.... Well let's just say it was... for a lack of a better word.  :o

Saurian

Soory,my English is poor

Doug Watson

Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
I'll never understand the hate the entire Jurassic Park series receives here on a DINO forum.

Excuse sir, what should we thank these people for, again?

Maybe you have as much trouble understanding me as you seem to think I have understanding others here. What I tried to point out is the first Jurassic Park movie raised the interest in dinosaurs and palaeontological discovery. It brought people into museums and helped fund research. It seems to me if you are into dinosaur toy collecting anything that promotes interest in palaeontology and dinosaur discovery should be appreciated. I didn't even touch on the explosion in the area of dinosaur toys, books etc. Just go back and check how many  dino toy lines there were before JP as there are today.

Quotethis movie is not made for geeks. It's made for silly people.

What an elitist view, if we like it we are silly. Just as there are some scientists that appreciate the JP series for what it is there are of course others who aren't happy unless the movie shows "their truth". It just so happens the one actual palaeontologist on this forum is excited about the movie so I am glad to be in his camp.
I can be pretty sure the film will please or displease geeks and non geeks whatever those are because the movie is aimed at a wide audience. In reality besides the critics the makers of the movie only have their stakeholders to please in the end. They have to make a piece of "entertainment" that will satisfy a wide audience and bring a return on the investment of their investors or they won't get those investments on their next project. They are not running a non profit organization.




Alex-DinoFood

Before Jurassic Park i saw dinosaurs as mythical, fantastical creatures, and not as biological animals. I could not relate to them living in our world. JP changed that for me. I finally started to see them as living things, living animals, as part of an ecosystem. Jurassic Park, both the movie & the book made me start studying, reading books, understanding all the eras of the dinosaurs the eras before and after, made me love paleontology, made me understand more about the world, nature, time, extinction etc... And for this I'l always be grateful.

Doug Watson

Quote from: Alex-DinoFood on November 26, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Before Jurassic Park i saw dinosaurs as mythical, fantastical creatures, and not as biological animals. I could not relate to them living in our world. JP changed that for me. I finally started to see them as living things, living animals, as part of an ecosystem. Jurassic Park, both the movie & the book made me start studying, reading books, understanding all the eras of the dinosaurs the eras before and after, made me love paleontology, made me understand more about the world, nature, time, extinction etc... And for this I'l always be grateful.

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Gwangi

#1233
Before "Jurassic Park", my favorite dinosaur movie was "Planet of Dinosaurs". Nuff' said! "Jurassic Park" was the first "serious" dinosaur movie we've ever gotten. Not the first good one, because movies like "King Kong" were good too, but the first serious one for sure. Sure, the movie was replete with inaccuracies but so what? It sparked an interest in people who other wise didn't give a damn about dinosaurs, evolution, science, genetics, etc. And anyone who was motivated enough by the movie sought out to educate themselves. I knew what was wrong with that movie within short order after watching it it just from all the reading it motivated me to do!

I saw "Jurassic Park" three times back in 1993, I was 9 years old. At the time we had a pet orphaned Canada goose. When I got back from seeing the realistic dinosaurs of "Jurassic Park", I was greeted by a real dinosaur. That was an amazing feeling, and I only knew that goose was a dinosaur because "Jurassic Park" told me it was. That's a powerful thing! I hope "JW" can do the same thing for today's younger generations, and spark renewed interest in dinosaurs, and help produce future paleontologists too! I'm totally stoked to see JW, I never thought it would happen. It looks good; has a solid cast, a good director with a love of the original and the trailer looks promising. All this talk about the tinkering with dino-DNA seems extremely faithful to the books. I have no reason not to be optimistic at this point.

Patrx

Quote from: Alex-DinoFood on November 26, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Before Jurassic Park i saw dinosaurs as mythical, fantastical creatures, and not as biological animals. I could not relate to them living in our world. JP changed that for me. I finally started to see them as living things, living animals, as part of an ecosystem. Jurassic Park, both the movie & the book made me start studying, reading books, understanding all the eras of the dinosaurs the eras before and after, made me love paleontology, made me understand more about the world, nature, time, extinction etc... And for this I'l always be grateful.

I think Jurassic Park did that for a lot of us, me included. The series has faltered in this regard since then, which is what's had me worried about this "D-rex" creature. I do think there's a graceful way to implement the idea, as it does play into the themes of Jurassic Park quite nicely, but it could also be a huge step backward. Time will tell.

That the returning dinosaurs are stuck with their early-nineties Dinosaur Renaissance designs is, as Doug points out (and as we've discussed on earlier pages of this thread), all but unavoidable. Those designs are cultural icons, and this is a really expensive movie. The filmmakers need that nostalgia to make money. They can't take many risks when the stakes are this high. That's just how these movies work, especially in this century. I do feel some disappointment in that regard, because it means there's no way Jurassic World will be able to rock the public perception of dinosaurs in the way is predecessor did. However, I've gotten so much joy out the series over the years that I can't help but be a little giddy at the thought of a brand-new installment, and overall I do expect a lot of fun to be had.

Foxilized

#1235
Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
I'll never understand the hate the entire Jurassic Park series receives here on a DINO forum.

Excuse sir, what should we thank these people for, again?

Maybe you have as much trouble understanding me as you seem to think I have understanding others here.

I don't think nothing, sir. You started your rant with "I'll never understand...".
Now you understand everything.
Ok!  ::)

Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
this movie is not made for geeks. It's made for silly people.

What an elitist view, if we like it we are silly.

I invite you to finish reading my whole post instead of grabbing just one single sentence to critizice it. Maybe you will find my next sentence adds to the previous.

Just a suggestion, of course.  ;)

Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
I'll never understand the hate the entire Jurassic Park series receives here on a DINO forum.

Excuse sir, what should we thank these people for, again?

Just go back and check how many  dino toy lines there were before JP as there are today.

Oh, sir, but there were MANY.  :)  Shuld I name them? Nah, not needed, right? Toylines, books and all. Dinosaurs were popular since always. We don't thank JP for that, like... at all.
What we can thank JP for (as I pointed in the post apparently you didn't finish reading) was all of the pre-JP toylines and books were based off arcaic reconstructions, tail dragging, cold blooded stuff.
It wasn't until "Jurassic Park" that there was a new explosion of toylines and books depicting dinosaurs under the new Reinassance ideas and aesthethics. THAT is what we should thank JP for.

Now, this new movie depicts the same ideas and looks from 20 years ago. Outdated and all.

So if a new explosion if toys is gonna happen, they won't be depicting the current, new vanguardist ideas. They will be depicting THE SAME ones as the toylines from 20 years back.

So I will repeat my question, sir:
What exactly do you say we must thank this people for?

I don't spect you to understand, sir. I truly don't. But if you do, you will make me happy. And still we will keep having the movie intact, to enjoy or hate or both.

Cheers.

Foxilized

#1236
Quote from: Meso-Cenozoic on November 26, 2014, 07:56:23 PM
A reminder of what could have been. 8)

http://www.zimbio.com/Beyond+the+Box+Office/articles/V4f_dnFDr7N/Check+Out+Idea+ve+Ruined+Jurassic+World?utm_source=Zimbio-News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Zimbio-News-26-nov-14

Hahah, ok yeah... Sorry but I'm not into "it could be worse, so swallow this!". If it's bad it's bad, no matter how worse it could have been.

I'm not saying it's gonna be a bad movie.
I'm saying it's gonna be a bad "JP" movie, lacking the vanguardist mentality the previous ones had.

But enough of this, I already made my points! Now I take Blade's advice and put my negativity away!!  ^-^

darylj

Where would papo be were it not for jp eh???

I honestly believe this film will deliver where the third film failed. I cannot wait.
But I appreciate that some people want to hate.
I'm out x

Arul

This movie contain a value of life, dinosaur is never lived together with human there is always a problem. Alsooo human is never satisfied/greed, they want to have everthing. not enough with reborn a dinosaur, but they make a hybrid species which is actually against the nature law. But again, its still lovable movie :D

Doug Watson

#1239
Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
I'll never understand the hate the entire Jurassic Park series receives here on a DINO forum.

Excuse sir, what should we thank these people for, again?

Maybe you have as much trouble understanding me as you seem to think I have understanding others here.

I don't think nothing, sir. You started your rant with "I'll never understand...".
Now you understand everything.
Ok!  ::)

so you "don't think nothing" so I guess you do think something?



Quote from: Doug Watson on November 26, 2014, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Foxilized on November 26, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
this movie is not made for geeks. It's made for silly people.

What an elitist view, if we like it we are silly.

QuoteI invite you to finish reading my whole post instead of grabbing just one single sentence to critizice it. Maybe you will find my next sentence adds to the previous.

Just a suggestion, of course.  ;)

Don't be so ridiculous, just as Blade said I did read your post I just needed to quote the pertinent point. By saying you are silly too that doesn't absolve you of insulting everyone here who does like the JP movies. You are new here so let me explain that we are discouraged from long quotes.

QuoteJust go back and check how many  dino toy lines there were before JP as there are today.

QuoteOh, sir, but there were MANY.  :)  Shuld I name them? Nah, not needed, right? .

I was talking about how many at the time the movie came out not from the beginning of time. There was one main line that was considered the most scientifically accurate, the Battat series. There were others Invicta etc but they were not as up to date and they were produced in monochrome plastic. Carnegie wasn't at the point where it is today. I feel there are more now competing for the scientifically accurate title and there are certainly more companies doing obscure species today in fully painted form.

Quote
So I will repeat my question, sir:
What exactly do you say we must thank this people for?

I don't spect you to understand, sir. I truly don't. But if you do, you will make me happy. And still we will keep having the movie intact, to enjoy or hate or both.

Again thank you for being so condescending and to call my intelligence into question, "spect, shuld"? Of course I understand the reason so many here do not like the JP movies and their depiction of dinosaurs considering todays scientific understanding of them the point I was trying to make was I couldn't understand the hate on a "DINO" forum where members are dinosaur enthusiasts and I will not go into all the reasons again. And for your information I would guess that I have probably been a dinosaur geek for longer than you have been on this earth.
Cheers

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