Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[stargatedalek]

AFAIK the ones Grant dug for in Montana were deinonychus, but the ones in the park were mongoliensis (with features based on deinonychus)
very confusing

@ as for utahraptor, wasn't it only published after the novels release?
I'm probably mistaken

[Takama]

I thought it was discovered after the movie.

[Gwangi]

It was but in the novel "Raptor Red" Bob Baker makes the claim the the Velociraptors in JP were a made up species that were validated by the discovery of Utahraptor. Something like that, don't quote me. Been awhile since I read it. Either way I have seen people make the claim that they were Utahraptor.

[stargatedalek]

frankly I say thats nigh impossible (since it hadn't been discovered yet), and if had been a speculative species I would think Crichton would have capitalized on that rather than labeling them as mongoliensis

[HD-man]

frankly I say thats nigh impossible (since it hadn't been discovered yet),

Actually, "Utahraptor was discovered during Jurassic Park's production" ( http://mentalfloss.com/article/49904/20-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-jurassic-park ).

[SpartanSquat]

@Gwangi: In that case, Paul have all the fault to make his own classification...well he classified Guanlong as a Monolophosaurus species.

[stargatedalek]

frankly I say thats nigh impossible (since it hadn't been discovered yet),

Actually, "Utahraptor was discovered during Jurassic Park's production" ( http://mentalfloss.com/article/49904/20-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-jurassic-park ).

exactly, so how could it have been used as the basis? even if it was used to justify the size it was only found after the decisions had been made

[Gwangi]

frankly I say thats nigh impossible (since it hadn't been discovered yet),

Actually, "Utahraptor was discovered during Jurassic Park's production" ( http://mentalfloss.com/article/49904/20-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-jurassic-park ).

exactly, so how could it have been used as the basis? even if it was used to justify the size it was only found after the decisions had been made

I dunno, it was all in the introduction to "Raptor Red" which if you haven't read BTW is pretty good.

I did find this...

When the movie Jurassic Park was released, dinosaur fans everywhere complained that director Steven Spielberg had made his movie Velociraptors much larger than they were in real life. In the midst of this controversy, Dr. James Kirkland and paleontology student Rob Gaston unearthed the real-life giant raptor that was shown in the movie - only bigger! Utahraptor was huge, and with its big killing claws, strong arms and hands, and sharp teeth, it was one of the most ferocious killers on the planet.[1]

Jody Duncan wrote about this discovery: "Later, after we had designed and built the Raptor, there was a discovery of a Raptor skeleton in Utah, which they labeled 'super-slasher'. They had uncovered the largest Velociraptor to date - and it measured five-and-a-half-feet tall, just like ours. So we designed it, we built it, and then they discovered it. That still boggles my mind."

http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Utahraptor

Of course the animals in JP were not Utahraptor, that does not mean there aren't people out there that claim it.

Roland, Greg Paul has a habit of lumping genera together and re-classifying dinosaurs as you're probably aware.

[HD-man]

exactly, so how could it have been used as the basis? even if it was used to justify the size it was only found after the decisions had been made

Not sure what you're trying to say. In any case, the following quote sums up the JP raptor situation (for lack of a better phrase) well enough.

Quoting Hutchinson ( http://mentalfloss.com/article/49904/20-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-jurassic-park ):

Still, Spielberg insisted on using dramatic license when it came to some of his prehistoric stars' appearances. Take, for example, those T. rex teeth. Bakker sent over diagrams of the chompers—which, in reality, were banana-shaped— but "the powers that be didn't like the real tooth shape," Bakker told Popular Mechanics. "The CGI rex and the robot had their fangs sharpened."
The most famous example is probably Spielberg's Velociraptor, which more closely resembles the Deinonychus. A major source for Crichton's book was Gregory Paul's Predatory Dinosaurs of the World, which labeled the Velociraptor as a Deinonychus subspecies; real Velociraptors weighed less than 50 pounds and had feathers.
But in a bit of good fortune, a new, much bigger species called the Utahraptor was discovered during Jurassic Park's production. In the forward of Raptor Red, Bakker wrote about a call from Dr. James Kirkland, who was part of the team that discovered Utahraptor:
"Jim!" I yelled. "You just found the giant raptor Spielberg made up for his movie." Jim thought I was daft. He didn't know about the other phone call I had gotten about giant raptors that morning. It was from one of the special effects artists in the Jurassic Park skunkworks ... the artists were suffering anxiety about what was to become the star of the movie—a raptor species that had never been documented by a real fossil. ... Just before Jim called, I'd listened to one artist complain that Spielberg had invented a raptor that didn't exist. ... He wanted hard facts, fossil data. "Yeah, a giant raptor's possible—theoretically. But you don't have any bones." But now Jim's Utahraptor gave him bones.
That dinosaur, discovered in January 1992, was almost exactly the same size as Jurassic Park's big female.

[stargatedalek]

if Spielberg already made his choice before utahraptor was found than he didn't base it off of utahraptor

[Saurian]

it was  Deinonychus , Michael Crichton used Deinonychus

[Everything_Dinosaur]

One of the many teaser trailers for Jurassic World, out in summer 2015.

Sorry link seems to be broken now, so I have removed it.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Sorry that's fan made guys.  The actual teaser should be out on November sometime last I heard.

[Roselaar]

Yeah, those are shots from WWD I see in there...

[stargatedalek]

there was a teaser set of "trailers" a while ago, at least I thought they were official, not so sure anymore
it was from Patel (or something similar) that had apparently bought out InGen, they had a little website with some rather crude looking trailers, but I think that was the whole idea behind the trailers was to purposely seem crude, they were mainly clips from real commercials and from WWD

[SpartanSquat]

Hey people, look what I found in JPlegacy. Somebody saw some JW toys!
http://jplegacy.org/board/showthread.php?t=26613

I work for a major toy store in London. Last week we had a presentation from Universal and a number of other guys showing us the toy range for Jurassic World. (and also for a range of other movies coming out over the next 2 years).

They didn't give too much away but from what I gathered some of the dinosaurs are water based creatures (one looked like a massive crocodile). The main toy was a massive T-Rex called Big Boy, thing was he has a number of features that a normal T-Rex didn't have. Looked kind of like a GM T-Rex, had really big arms. Its looks like they have modified the dinosaurs.


The profile of mosasaurus showed weeks ago suggested that have a crocodilian look. The D-rex I imagine as a big rex with large arms, horns, snake like eyes, tongue and mouth.

[Trisdino]

Oh great, so even the mosasaurs are inaccurate.

[SpartanSquat]

Oh great, so even the mosasaurs are inaccurate.

With the profile showed weeks ago, we knew mosasaurs were crocodilian like.

You know the mosasaur was made before the new discoveries. Just like dinosaur revolution mosasaur was made before new discoveries. But you know...its just Jurassic Park.

[tyrantqueen]

I don't know if I've ever seen an upcoming film receive so many faked trailers as this one (but then again I don't pay much attention to Hollywood blockbusters so I wouldn't know). It is getting annoying though.

[Trisdino]

Oh trust me, you aint seen anything.


Not to mention, previously, when people thought the 4'th movie would be called "extinction", they made a bunch of fake trailers about that, including one with lots of chickens if I recall correctly. Why there were lots of chickens though, I havent the slightest.


Edit: Found it! He renamed it "Jurassic world" after those news broke, but the video itself is intact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-2UXyRPeY