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The lack of Certain Dinosaurs in the Toy Market is disappointing

Started by Syndicate Bias, March 07, 2018, 12:54:57 AM

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Syndicate Bias

I think of all the dinosaurs out there, its dissapointing to see how you can search up T Rex and easily find dozens of models and toys about it, but you search Tyrannotitan or Kentrosaurus and other lesser known dinos and its a rare find if you do manage to get one.

my question is, what is everyone else hoping for from dinosaur companies


Reptilia

I'm hoping for more non-dinosaur prehistoric figures. We need gorgonopsids and terror birds, just to name a couple of groups. If I have to choose a dinosaur, maybe Suchomimus? I'm sure that if I think a little more I can come up with dozens of under represented species.

Loon

I would personally dig more ornithomimosaurs, they are seriously underrepresented in the market.

Jose S.M.

I like every kind of dinosaur, my favorite are ceratopsians but I like toys from every group so I would appreciate more diversity in species. I would like more hadrosaurs and ornithopods apart from Parasaurolophus and Iguanodon that are the most represented on toy form. More Stegosaurs, and smaller theropods, things like that. But I understand the abundance of classic species because toy making is a business in the end and those are sure things. Lesser known species are more of a collector thing than average consumer so I get why there's the ever present "jp or wwd featured" creatures every year.

mgaguilar

Personally, I'd love to see Giga's, Carcharo's and other large Theropods that aren't Tyrannosaurus Rex.

I know there are a couple models of each already, but given their popularity, I guess it's only a matter of time.

I guess I am part of the problem.  :o

Syndicate Bias

im hoping the carcharodontosaurus, Giganotosaurus and Tyrannotitan and Mapusaurus make an appearance soon from.higher quality companies, as well as concavenator and neovenator and Kentrosaurus and hopefully the amargasaurus gets some justice, heres to hoping maybe we get an irritator and an Edasphosaurus and an Oxalia but one can only hope

John

I'm actually SEEING what I want to see come out from companies right now,so I have no complaints.Besides,focusing on what isn't there instead of being happy about what is available is a waste of time.
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sauroid

i want to see more pre-dino species as well as post-dino prehistoric mammals, reptiles and birds.
"you know you have a lot of prehistoric figures if you have at least twenty items per page of the prehistoric/dinosaur section on ebay." - anon.

stargatedalek

No offense, but all of these "lesser known" species are actually really well known, and some of them, Giganotosaurus, Kentrosaurus and Amargasaurus in particular, are actually really well represented to the point I would say they're fairly obvious and safe choices to produce.

When there are entire groups that are only represented by a handful of figures, typically of just one or two members, I don't think "giant theropod X" should ever be truly considered an obscure choice, and certainly isn't a bold one by any means.

mgaguilar

Quote from: stargatedalek on March 07, 2018, 04:48:34 AM
No offense, but all of these "lesser known" species are actually really well known, and some of them, Giganotosaurus, Kentrosaurus and Amargasaurus in particular, are actually really well represented to the point I would say they're fairly obvious and safe choices to produce.

When there are entire groups that are only represented by a handful of figures, typically of just one or two members, I don't think "giant theropod X" should ever be truly considered an obscure choice, and certainly isn't a bold one by any means.

@stargatedalek My apologies, I think I focused too much on the "my question is, what is everyone else hoping for from dinosaur companies," rather than actually specifying more obscure and underrepresented species.  :P

tyrantqueen

Quote from: John on March 07, 2018, 03:40:51 AM
I'm actually SEEING what I want to see come out from companies right now,so I have no complaints.Besides,focusing on what isn't there instead of being happy about what is available is a waste of time.

I feel a similar way. Things could be a lot worse.

By all means, go for less well known animals. I just don't want toys based on species that we have scant remains of.

Syndicate Bias

all i want is no more focus on Jurassic Park Raptors or raptors in general, same with Triceratops and T Rex. The basic 10 dinosaurs every company remakes like collect a again with their t Rex and so on. I guess my point is that i hope to see other dinosaurs like Tyrannotitan instead of a Giganotosaurus or Mapusaurus, same with Oxalia but i doubt it. most companies usually go for the most well known dinosaur of a certain group.

i do enjoy PNSO focusing on herbivores more than any other company for example, i think if Vitae were to focus on sea life it would also boom as there isn't alot of options for it aside from resin kits, while im not fully onboard with all of Vitae i do like that they started out with making some dinosaurs that i haven't seen been made like sinraptor and chilantaisaurus to name a couple

sauroid

is Vitae considered a "toy" brand since some of their figures are resin?
"you know you have a lot of prehistoric figures if you have at least twenty items per page of the prehistoric/dinosaur section on ebay." - anon.


Cretaceous Crab

Part of the issue is that some of these species are very similar, at least at first glance. One example would be the 4 large carcharodontids: Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus, Tyrannotitan and Carcharodontosaurus. Why would a toy company spend resources on a new figure that looks so similar to another instead of focusing on something new? Granted, one may say the same on why some companies make 10 different versions of T. rex, but the reality is......T. rex sells! Tarbosaurus? Not so much. Many people have never heard of the Asian giant tyrannosaur...but everyone has heard of T. rex.

Velociraptor will always sell better than Saurornitholestes. Brachiosaurus will always sell over Argentinosaurus. Stegosaurus will always leave shelves faster than Hesperosaurus. etc etc etc....

Personally, I also feel that ornithopods are not represented well. Perhaps it is because of their long legs and it is harder to create a figure that can stand on its own without a tripod stance or a base.

sauroid

thing is, all those large roaring theropod toys are "T. rex" to almost all the regular common toy consumers and they would def sell whether it is labelled as Carcharodontosaurus, Giganotosaurus etc.
"you know you have a lot of prehistoric figures if you have at least twenty items per page of the prehistoric/dinosaur section on ebay." - anon.

Patrx

I'm always hoping for more small animals - compsognathids, basal ceratopsians, other little ornithischians, tiny maniraptorans or pterodactyloids. Seems like they don't turn up often, and when they do, they're sometimes in scales that make them way too tiny for me, like CollectA's Hypsilophodon and Koreaceratops groups.

I don't like to complain too much, of course - there are exceptions, like Safari's latest Psittacosaurus or CollectA's Dimorphodon  :D

Ravonium

I wasn't originally going to post here, because this is a topic that has been done to death, but I thought I should share a few opinions on two of the more recent posts here.

Quote from: LeviRawl on March 07, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
Part of the issue is that some of these species are very similar, at least at first glance.

For me, the reason I'm not fully satisfied with many lineups isn't because they aren't making a good variety of dinosaurs, but rather the part I've highlighted in bold (CollectA is the worst offender for this in terms of both dinosaurs and living animals, with them releasing at least 1 ceratopsian per year for a few years consecutively).



Quote from: sauroid on March 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
they would def sell whether it is labelled as Carcharodontosaurus, Giganotosaurus etc.

I think this is the only reason many companies considered making obscure dinosaurs in the first place (not that this is the reason now).

Sim

If you're going to express disappointment about the lack of representation certain prehistoric animals get, it might be worth checking what is actually known of these animals to see if it's worth making them into a figure, or whether the remains of these animals are too incomplete to even know what they look like.  Too much of Tyrannotitan's head is unknown to make a figure that is of this animal rather than a generic carcharodontosaur.  Oxalaia is much worse as it's only known from a few fragments.  Why should a toy company make a figure labelled Tyrannotitan or Oxalaia when they would have to invent the appearance of these animals?  Also, these two have close relatives which are both popular and at least known from enough of their anatomy to make a figure of them (e.g. Giganotosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Spinosaurus), which makes producing a Tyrannotitan or Oxalaia even more of a bad idea as more people will want their better known relatives.


Quote from: SyndicateBias on March 07, 2018, 03:06:03 AM
im hoping the carcharodontosaurus, Giganotosaurus and Tyrannotitan and Mapusaurus make an appearance soon from.higher quality companies, as well as concavenator and neovenator and Kentrosaurus and hopefully the amargasaurus gets some justice, heres to hoping maybe we get an irritator and an Edasphosaurus and an Oxalia but one can only hope

Respectfully, I think you're conflating what you want to see more of with what's lacking representation.  I agree with stargatedalek with regards to Giganotosaurus, Kentrosaurus and Amargasaurus having received a lot of attention with regards to representing them in figure form.  I'd say this is true for Concavenator too, even more so when one considers how much attention it has received in the relatively little time since its discovery.  From what I remember, Carcharodontosaurus is known from even less of its skeleton than Spinosaurus, so the amount of attention it has received in the toy market seems consistent with that.  Giganotosaurus has already made an appearance from a higher quality company - Vitae.


Quote from: SyndicateBias on March 07, 2018, 09:44:02 AM
all i want is no more focus on Jurassic Park Raptors or raptors in general, same with Triceratops and T Rex. The basic 10 dinosaurs every company remakes like collect a again with their t Rex and so on. I guess my point is that i hope to see other dinosaurs like Tyrannotitan instead of a Giganotosaurus or Mapusaurus, same with Oxalia but i doubt it. most companies usually go for the most well known dinosaur of a certain group.

::)  I think making unlicensed Jurassic Park-style "raptors" is a waste, they aren't really representations of real animals, they are simply representations of an old and very incorrect idea of what these animals could have looked like.  What bothers me is when you say you want no more focus on "raptors in general".  It's fine if you aren't interested in them, but you're talking like they aren't under-represented.  The only non-action figures that represent dromaeosaurids well are the Wild Safari 2017 Velociraptor and Microraptor.  That's it.  While I'm very happy they have this representation, dromaeosaurids are my favourite dinosaur group and I'd love to have a few more accurate figures of these animals, like a Deinonychus... but they don't exist.  I consider action figures a different thing from regular figures, with their joints/holes they don't satisfy me in the same way a non-action figure would.  I will say though, I think some of the Beasts of the Mesozoic figures aren't good representations of dromaeosaurids due to being too inaccurate or having made-up anatomy due to representing species that are based on fragments.

I feel quite strongly about this, because a number of times I've felt toy companies have been neglecting the types of dinosaurs I like and am interested in even if there's a good chance they'd sell well, often in favour of the groups/genera that get the most attention.  I can see you like carcharodontosaurs a lot, and would like to see more figures of them.  That's fine, it's what you like.  However, I think they are one of the most well represented dinosaur groups in figure form.  It bothers me to see you say carcharodontosaurs need more attention but then that you want dromaeosaurids not to get any more attention, when this latter group has a noticeable lack of good representation.  As one example, notice how CollectA hasn't made a new dromaeosaurid figure since 2011.  CollectA's two dromaeosaurids are inaccurate in both feathering and skeletal anatomy, the CollectA deluxe Velociraptor even has a bizarre oval-shaped body and tiny tail despite the skeleton of Velociraptor showing it doesn't look like this.  And yet, CollectA hasn't made any decent dromaeosaurid figure year after year.  In contrast, they've made a higher number of carcharodontosaur species (I can think of 5 at least), and while their last dromaeosaurid was in 2011, they've made a carcharodontosaur in 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2018...  CollectA has even made more than one carcharodontosaur in one year e.g. in 2012.  In addition to carcharodontosaurs, and allosauroids in general, I think CollectA has been making a high number of tyrannosauroids and ceratopsids compared to other prehistoric animal groups.

Patrx

Quote from: Sim on March 07, 2018, 03:27:59 PMThe only non-action figures that represent dromaeosaurids well are the Wild Safari 2017 Velociraptor and Microraptor.

Yep. If you want, say, a good Deinonychus, for example, I hope you're prepared to spend resin kit money. Which is bizarre, I mean, it's a really historically important dinosaur and quite famous.
Oh, the Kaiyodo "Kitadaniryu" is a decent generic velociraptorine dromaeosaur, but it is tiny and can be tough to find as well as pricey.

Shonisaurus

For me dinosaurs that are very poorly represented in the toy market are for example protoceratops, centrosaurus, monoclonius, chasmosaurus, arrhinoceratops, medusaceratops, anchiceratops.

On the other hand Camarasaurus is represented but after the defection of Carnegie there is no important toy company that makes any figure of that emblematic animal.

Other less-represented figures are muttaburrasaurus, lurdusaurus and iguanodontids and tenontosaurus.

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