JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[stargatedalek]

I can only assume someone wanted to edit in a CGI raptor to indicate it was the newer movies, and couldn't easily find a good clip of the JW model.

[HD-man]

I hope they'll actually listen to him. I just read his book and it's great. He's very good at explaining that dinosaurs were just normal animals, but still imposing and fascinating. The Jurassic Park/World franchise could use some of that...

Depends on what you mean by "great" In terms of overall quality, it's good, but has some problems that keep it from being great ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R1H5PAIZYRT2B/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8 ). If you want the best natural history of dinos for adults, get the newest edition of Naish/Barrett's Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved (I reviewed the 1st edition: https://www.amazon.com/review/R3VQ7TMT8EFOC7/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8 ).

It was a main theme of the first film, Grant even basically says " They're just big animals. " Spielberg was really on that at first.

That's partly why, as bad as JP2 is, I still like it better than the other sequels.

This video by Klayton Fioriti seems to validate my line of thinking, that Brusatte's involvement could indicate more accurate dinosaurs.

If the popular dino books he's authored/consulted on are any indication, I'm not sure how much help he'll be anyway.

I strongly feel that the "middle-ground" half-feathered dromaeosaurs like the ones he's using in this video would be a bad move. A lot of early feathered dinosaur art looks that way, and the look is so ugly that I think it's part of why so many people still hate the idea of feathered dinosaurs altogether. Wrist-wings, feather mohawks, short feather-pelts, etc. should all remain in the past. Go full bird or go full retro, I say.

That reminds me of Witton's "The Mysterious Mysteries of Feather Resistance" ( http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-mysterious-mysteries-of-feather.html ) & "the half-arse" below.

Source: https://www.deviantart.com/tomozaurus/art/Common-errors-for-Velociraptor-178827028

[Gwangi]

I have to admit that I didn't read Brusatte's recent book. Looked too basic for me, I get the impression it's for a more lay audience and would just re-tread ground I've already covered. But...I'm happy to report that I did recently finish Naish/Barrett's book.

[HD-man]

But...I'm happy to report that I did recently finish Naish/Barrett's book.

Hooray!

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

It was a main theme of the first film, Grant even basically says " They're just big animals. " Spielberg was really on that at first.

That's partly why, as bad as JP2 is, I still like it better than the other sequels.

Yeah that one part in JP3, where Grant seems to have done a 180 and says " They are genetically engineered theme park monsters, nothing more"  hurt.  Though later he states " My God..I'd forgotten" after seeing them ( in herds) again.  It will be interesting to see what his views are now.  Imagine him excavating a raptor and he hears ( Blue's) call out in the Badlands.

[HD-man]

Yeah that one part in JP3, where Grant seems to have done a 180 and says " They are genetically engineered theme park monsters, nothing more"  hurt.  Though later he states " My God..I'd forgotten" after seeing them ( in herds) again.  It will be interesting to see what his views are now.  Imagine him excavating a raptor and he hears ( Blue's) call out in the Badlands.

I was thinking more in terms of "how monstrous the animals have gotten in both appearance & behavior since JP & JP2. For a good example of behavior, compare the hunting scenes in said movies vs. JP3-JW:BABR. In JP, the T.rex & raptors ambush the Gallimimus & Muldoon w/out roaring or screaming in their faces 1st" ( http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=8177.msg239156#msg239156 ).

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Yeah that one part in JP3, where Grant seems to have done a 180 and says " They are genetically engineered theme park monsters, nothing more"  hurt.  Though later he states " My God..I'd forgotten" after seeing them ( in herds) again.  It will be interesting to see what his views are now.  Imagine him excavating a raptor and he hears ( Blue's) call out in the Badlands.

I was thinking more in terms of "how monstrous the animals have gotten in both appearance & behavior since JP & JP2. For a good example of behavior, compare the hunting scenes in said movies vs. JP3-JW:BABR. In JP, the T.rex & raptors ambush the Gallimimus & Muldoon w/out roaring or screaming in their faces 1st" ( http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=8177.msg239156#msg239156 ).

That's...a bit harder to figure.  I agree it seems more natural, but should it? Animals that are genetically manipulated and have not been raised by their own species..how should they behave? How much can we chalk up to instinct? Roaring and stomping about seems more about territorial disputes, mates, or a kill.  Not much reason to do so hunting to be sure.

[dragon53]

Colin Trevorrow said the sequel title is JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Colin posted the pic, but I'm not sure he said anything regarding the title.  It could be a place holder, might change...it sounds a bit..odd? I can't find any quote from Crichton that might allude to anything except this from Westworld  "  'One man's life or death is but a small price to pay for the dominion I should acquire"

I'm really more interested in the retro logo..

[Faelrin]

I thought the same at first but since then I've seen it mentioned that Arcadia was the working title (which I did see but forgot about), it's gotta be official.

If I had to guess it's probably alluding to why they went with Jurassic World in the first place. At least I recall Trevorrow implying something along the lines, shortly after Jurassic World released. Now that the dinosaurs and genetic power is out there to make more, I wouldn't be surprised if them ruling the Earth again is how this goes down. Though of course we are all gonna just have to wait and see.

I am wondering if there will be any returning creatures (from previous films that were not in FK),  and/or any new ones.


Edit: He also made mentioned quite a while ago too about dinosaurs being used for agricultural, pharmaceutical, etc purposes so I can wonder if that will finally come to light in this film as the two others just focused on them being used for military purposes.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I have a hard time seeing dinosaurs as being able to be a true threat to man's domination of the planet.  Unless they also carry some sort of transmissible disease ? Maybe DX will finally come into play?  It's just our ability to weld weapons of mass destruction that could take out any of them.  I always imagined this going down something like that series ZOO where modern animals turned against people. SLIDERS,  a tv series from the 90's had an alternate Earth where dinosaurs never went extinct , they were kept in large natural parks and sanctuaries to prevent poaching.

While I'm all for a more natural coexistence, not quite Dinotopia, but just like any other every day animal. I'm not sure it's possible..especially to achieve in the course of one film.

I will guarantee new species, there always are.  Bringing back older ones would be cool too.

[Appalachiosaurus]

I doubt JW3 will be a Dinosaur apocalypse movie. The JP franchise has always been about coexisting with nature instead of futilely trying to control it, I think the final message of the movies will probably have more to do with Dinosaurs and man learning to live with each other instead of just pulling out the machine guns and slaughtering dinos like an arcade game.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I doubt JW3 will be a Dinosaur apocalypse movie. The JP franchise has always been about coexisting with nature instead of futilely trying to control it, I think the final message of the movies will probably have more to do with Dinosaurs and man learning to live with each other instead of just pulling out the machine guns and slaughtering dinos like an arcade game.

Yeah I don't see that either. It took the series 4 movies to have humans kill a dinosaur.  My point here being a title like " Dominion" seems to imply a rule or control over something...and I don't see dinosaurs doing that.   In opposition of your statement, Jurassic Park has always been about exactly the opposite, "futilely trying to control " is basically the foundation of the entire concept.

" You never have control! That's the illusion!" - Ellie Sattler 

"John, the kind of control you're attempting is not possible. If there's one thing the history of evolution has taught us, it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free." - Ian Malcolm

That's one example Malcolm has a LOT to say about "control".

I'm not sure where this film will be going, " A New Era" sounded better.  If that story snippet that came out can be believed this will likely be a less worldwide story and instead focused on a story taking place in an established world where dinosaurs exist and just show up when they like.   Colin mentioned one of his favorite concepts is a lone vehicle on a foggy day, stops on the road, and a dinosaur walks out of the fog and passes by .  It's a chilling feeling scene, very The Lost World.

[Faelrin]

Yeah this is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out. I would certainly want them to go back to the points made in the first film, especially now that the og trio is back (and then some). The stuff at the end of FK and BaBR definitely did give us some interesting sneak peeks about where they might be going with all of this anyways.

It is possible the title could also be unrelated to all of this too, and could be for something else that we don't quite know about yet. Definitely interesting to think about anyways.

[dragon53]

JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION---Colin Trevorrow posted a film set photo in the snow.

[leidy]

JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION---Colin Trevorrow posted a film set photo in the snow.

This time they bombard the dinosaurs with snowballs.  It works for a while, but then  'life finds a way'.     

[SenSx]

I absolutely hated Jurassic World.
Almost everything was wrong in this movie that felt like a Disney show.
The script was written by a 8 years old child.
The only scene I enjoyed was the part with the dinosaurs babies, that was brilliant, all the rest was crap.
Good special effects is not enough to make a good movie.
I do love dinosaurs, but even then, I can recognize a garbage movie.
On top of all the mistakes, it just felt empty, no real mature thematic, nothing.

Actually the only really good Jurassic Park was the first one for me, after that they tried to make it a family entertainement.
Lost World's plot was a bit convoluted, and Jurassic Park 3 was its complete opposite.
I actually would have enjoyed Jurassic Park 3 simple context more, if it was not that naive with an expected happy ending.

They both are way below JP1, but they are still good entertainement.
Jurassic Park World isn't even that.
And it's killing me to see so many people enjoying it.
That means they can keep doing the same crap movies over and over, the public will ask for more.
I haven't watched Fallen Kingdom yet, and don't really plan to, or just to see how bad it can be.

A new good and mature Jurassic Park movie would be just a dream.

[triceratops83]

What bothers me about the potential plot concerning Dinosaurs running amok is that there were only a few dinosaurs brought to Lockwood manor. Most of them were individuals, so the issue of these things reproducing at an alarming rate is impossible. And half of them were shipped off to whomever bought them at auction.

This is why Battle at Big Rock bugged me, despite being a neat little short. A whole family of Nasutoceratops? Where'd they come from? An adult Allosaurus? They brought back an immature Allosaurus which was taken away to a private buyer.

Unless they address this issue, there should be only about a dozen or so Dinosaurs, the Mosasaurus  and possibly a population of Pterosaurs who escaped Isla Nublar.

I hope they don't ignore this plot hole like the absence of Isla Sorna.

[Rain]

What bothers me about the potential plot concerning Dinosaurs running amok is that there were only a few dinosaurs brought to Lockwood manor. Most of them were individuals, so the issue of these things reproducing at an alarming rate is impossible. And half of them were shipped off to whomever bought them at auction.

This is why Battle at Big Rock bugged me, despite being a neat little short. A whole family of Nasutoceratops? Where'd they come from? An adult Allosaurus? They brought back an immature Allosaurus which was taken away to a private buyer.

Unless they address this issue, there should be only about a dozen or so Dinosaurs, the Mosasaurus  and possibly a population of Pterosaurs who escaped Isla Nublar.

I hope they don't ignore this plot hole like the absence of Isla Sorna.

They brought back multiple. One is purchased by a buyer, yes, but there's at least one more which you can see during the sequence where Maisie opens the door to free the dinos. Also, there's also definitely more than a dozen dinosaurs, probably more like 20-40 as you can see here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ib3qDJJsIs

Battle at big rock is set a year after fallen kingdom, so it isn't that much of a stretch to suggest the juvenile allosaurus grew up. So yeah, that itself is not really a plot hole but I do agree that it's hard to believe they're reproducing that quickly.

[Dinoxels]

To be frank, I really hated Fallen Kingdom, but what I liked I loved. That being them moving off the island and getting the dinosaurs on the mainland, all of the stuff taken from the novels, and Maisie being a clone. Considering the people who worked on BaBR are working on JWD, I am definitely more hopeful for that film.