Jurassic World: Rebirth (July 2, 2025) 🦕

[Faelrin]

I wonder what Holtz thinks about the ear hole on the new Mattel figure? Still too big or better? I've seen folks discuss that in that one screenshot it could be the shadow making it look bigger then it is?

[Prehistory Resurrection]

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spoiler]An article from ScreenRant giving more details on the island used as research facility that will be featured in Rebirth;
Link: https://screenrant.com/jurassic-world-rebirth-what-island/

From the article: "The island in Jurassic World Rebirth does not have an official name as of this moment. But since Isla Sorna was known as Site B and Isla Nublar was Site A, it would appear that this is Site C."

The island seems to form part of the Muertes Archipelago; the "Five Deaths" islands; it's either Isla Mantaceros, Muerta, Tacano or Pena, excluding Isla Sorna.

The article also gives a reason as to why the film takes place on yet another isolated location; "While dinosaurs are dying in many parts of the world, the tropical setting of this island has allowed them to thrive - similar to how the dinosaurs were able to make homes on Isla Nublar and Isla Sorna."

Another important point: "It appears that the dinosaurs moved to Isla Sorna only after the research reached a stage where the scientists were comfortable and confident in the process. The dinosaurs left behind on Site C are creations that did not turn out correctly."

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[Giganotosaurus]

I'm going to be honest: this is my least favorite of all the World trailers so far. The Marvel quips help ruin the trailer. At least Chris Pratt is naturally funny when he gives them.

I was really hoping we'd get the JPIII Spino one more time before they switched to a more "accurate" Spino.

I like Gareth Edward's films, so I still have hope. I really like the T-Rex design.

Of the toy images that have been leaked the Spinosaurus and Parasaurolophus look like the only ones of interest to me.

Sadly, the Parasaurolophus figure was part of a fake leak.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I'm a little bit hopeful we might still get a JP3 Spino. SOMETHING has to kill this mutant monstrosity. Usually a big bad carnivore.

[Faelrin]

Some notes from the Skeleton Crew video on the trailer:

-Mosasaurus has a weird theropod like fenestra on its jaws, otherwise they think its great (including the color design, and no or minimal croc skin). I'm surprised they didn't discuss the fluked tail being present.
-Discussion on the Spinosaurus and Mosasaurus hunting together, overall seem to view it in a positive light. It's sort of similar to my thoughts (how there are examples in nature of cooperative hunting), but they also addressed other aspects that didn't cross my mind at the time
-Spinosaurus doesn't seem to have a large ear hole (although Dalton jumps to that conclusion initially) so much as a possibly shrinkwrapped temporal lateral fenestra in bad shadow. I'm pretty sure their observation is in line with the recently revealed Mattel figure. I've had some bad brain fog lately, so it kind of didn't cross my mind in regards to my last post, hence why I said ear hole in it, but yeah looking at the figure, that's certainly no oversized ear hole present lol. They like the individual variation on the Spinosaurus. The crest is present on the skull, the first claw is correct. They compare it to the FK Baryonyx, and think this new Spinosaurus is much better, especially from head on/front view of the skull, though it is still too wide. Croc vibes in the head, but not the skin (like the FK Baryonyx). Neck is a bit too short (based on current reconstructions, but James makes a good point that we don't have actually have much of the neck to go off of, and most aquatic animals have short necks, with some exceptions like plesiosaurs, etc).
-Amelia likes the Quetzalcoatlus design, "really cool looking". James disagrees, "worst looking thing we saw in the trailer". He later says he doesn't hate it but that it looks like a combination of a frog and skeksis, lol, but no accuracy complaint, more aesthetic if anything. Scott mentioned he'd like it better if it wasn't Quetzalcoatlus and was another pterosaur, because of the Dominion design. Dalton doesn't like the tall crest, but Alex does. Possibly the most divisive design among the group from what I can tell. They also like the iridescent blue striping (which is my fav thing about the design). They do take note about the feathers on the body.
-A little bit on the Titanosaurus speculative features (long tail, the bulbous head or air sac thing on it, the sails). Good posture, particularly when sitting, and maybe the limbs as well (that said think the feet will still be inaccurate based on the toy).
-Discussion on the plot point of these being rejects, not because it wouldn't look right for the audience of the park, but getting things too right for the time (based on what current evidence was available in the 80's), and thinking a genetic mistake was made somewhere. A good example is if they were to have made feathered raptors, which wasn't commonly accepted at the time, or depicted (some exceptions aside). Love what they say about the Spinosaurus in regards to this lol.
-Discussion on how with nearly every film, there's like a new facility where they bred these things. First Nublar, then Sorna, then the Lockwood Manor, now this film's island lol.
-Speculation on the raptor design. Possibly feathered, possibly JPIII styled. Possibly like the two headed one in the tube. Who knows.
-They also share thoughts on the lab stuff looking too modern or even futuristic, like BioSyn, Star Wars, or Alien, but not like 80's.
-Not much to be said on the Dilophosaurus and T. rex, other then they look good for the typical JP style. Some speculation on the Dilophosaurus design. Might be based on the Dominion coloration, or might be in a similar scenario as to the Spinosaurus with multiple colors on individuals, or mix of JP and Dominion. Need to wait and see. T. rex colors are nice. Some excitement from Scott about it being the river scene from the novel. Some disappointment from James for it not being the baby Compsognathus scene. I do agree with him on the horror potential of that scene, but I honestly don't know if they'll ever use it to not traumatize the kids that see these films (though on the other hand, poor Eddie in the Lost World).
-Amelia and Scott (and Alex too I think) both like the mutant design for not looking like a dinosaur. In the sea of reception of this thing, I've seen very few with that take so far. I would have liked it far more if it was less overdone multi limbed knuckle dragging sci-fi monster design (Cloverfield monster, Primeval's future predator, Death Angel from A Quiet Place, MUTO from Godzilla 2014, and many other examples out there), and instead more dinosaur like, and the many examples of detrimental genetic mutations out there. Dalton expresses a similar sentiment. However he also makes mention of an interesting fan theory making the rounds about this possibly being a mutant in the sense of taking the DNA from the mosquito's blood and not isolation any of it. Like just a hodgepodge mess of whatever it fed on, and an unintentional hybrid versus intentional like the Indominus, etc. Dalton also asks about why did they let it live, and in the containment type thing we see in the trailer, which a lot of folks are also asking. Another point he raises is that he worries the film's plot about getting the DNA from the creatures on the island for medical purposes is a misdirection for them to capture this thing to use for military purposes. A really tired plot point of the previous Jurassic films. I died laughing at Alex's joke of it being pure of heart, being like the Iron Giant, and what Amelia said about folks wanting it in JWE3 to keep it safe and happy. And honestly, I kind of jive with that lol.
-Back to the Spinosaurus, they do take note of the paddle tail, and are happy with seeing it swimming.
-Discussion on the film grading (no more horrible blue filter), general color vibes, and that it looks like it was done on film. I've seen a lot of folks feeling the same way. Discussion on the trailer feeling less soulless compared to the World films.
-I really like the points raised by Alex and Dalton in the past 1 hour and 10 or 15 minute marks. I kind of agree with what Alex is saying about even a good film can't just fix some of the issues in society out there or will make much of an impact, but also what Dalton discussing the lighting in the bottle that was the first film, between bringing the public up to terms on the dinosaur renaissance, but also the advances made in special effects, and how many it inspired to either get into paleontology or other scientific fields, or perhaps those into special effects fields (practical, and digital). It was truly revolutionary, and now we're just kind of an incremental phase. There's always being advancements being made, but it's unlikely something will just drastically change public perception. He also made a good point that folks often talk about what's wrong with the anatomy of the animals in these films, and less so about what's right. The Spinosaurus is a perfect example of this. It gets so much right, but does some things incorrectly, but unfortunately most of the attention has been given to the incorrect aspects, possibly even exaggerated from being displayed at poor or unflattering angles in the screenshots and trailer, and render on merch. Yeah I was guilty of this too. I've had like an extreme turn around from being extremely hyped and impressed, to being "come on man", to being this is a great middle ground, and fits with the design direction vibes of the original film, especially if we knew it kind of looked like this back then. I also seen a post on reddit comparing it to a dog jumping up on a table in the one shot, and like I kind of find that adorable lol. James also makes a good point, that the feathered dinosaur revelations going on during the 2000's could have made for another revolutionary (if at least somewhat) JP film, if it had incorporated that. But honestly I'm kind of glad they didn't in a way. It wasn't until after JW released that we had our first look into non microraptorine dromaeosaurid plumage looked like in the form of Zhenyuanlong. It was sort of represented in the Pyroraptor design, and while the wings weren't quite right in placement, maybe feather shape and size, they did give it primaries at least, and large wings/feathers. The tail feathers are also respective of Zhenyuanlong, and not the paleo meme of a fan tail. I do think JW did miss the mark on not implementing Yutyrannus however, as it could have been great at showing the general public that feathers don't stop an animal from being dangerous, much like fur doesn't stop a big cat or a bear from mauling someone. It was also described a few years earlier, and it was fresh on some folks minds as a feathered rex (for better or worse). Both Dalton and James made the point that these films are not going to be made to satisfy the few paleo fans, but the majority of the folks that just want to see dinosaurs on the big screen.

Anyways I hope there isn't a lot of grammatical issues. It's late and I don't want to revise this anymore then I had. But hopefully this is a decent rundown (aside from some of my thoughts mixed in), of what the video is about for folks that don't have the time to watch it (but seriously just watch it if you can).

[andrewsaurus rex]

i just read the plot summary for Rebirth and it sounds really dumb, imo.  I was hoping for more.

Oh well, so long as i get a huge sauropod toy out of it, i'm happy.   

[stargatedalek]

I love these designs. I think they're just the right amount of "more accurate" than we're used to seeing from the franchise to make them feel visually and conceptually distinct. My only complaint so far is the Spinosaurus neck looking quite so stubby, but I think it looks far better on the toy, so perhaps it's just the angle of that shot making it look even shorter. I would love if the Spinosaurus were all somewhat different in appearance, maybe one could have a longer neck.

I don't even dislike

Spoiler

the "Rancor". It's a deformed Tyrannosaur with polymelia. I think it's distinct enough from the hybrids to its own fun and interesting thing.

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[Brocc21]

Cool detail. The Spinosaurs seem to be suffering from hyperdontia. Some people (here and elsewhere) have been wondering why exactly these dinosaurs were rejected and left abandoned, but it seems the idea of these dinosaurs being imperfect clones will be more prevalent than in just the Mutant. I appreciate how reserved and subtle this detail is, it would have been easier to cram it's entire jawline full of gnarled teeth.
Original image is from Chris Pugh on Twitter.

[Faelrin]

That's a very interesting detail. It's something the new Mattel toy lacks (which I'll post below for comparison purposes), so it's possible this is just something this one individual Spinosaurus has. So more then just some obvious anatomical quirks aside (such as the incorrect foot shape and no webbing, too wide of a head, etc), but actual mutations. So there was more meat to that quote in the VF article then I thought.



Wonder if there's any more mutations like this one on the new creature designs than we were able to spot yet?

[HD-man]

"Jurassic World Rebirth SUPER BOWL SPOT BREAKDOWN - Extended SPINO Scarlett Johansson + LAB THEORIES":

[Flaffy]

That's a very interesting detail. It's something the new Mattel toy lacks (which I'll post below for comparison purposes), so it's possible this is just something this one individual Spinosaurus has. So more then just some obvious anatomical quirks aside (such as the incorrect foot shape and no webbing, too wide of a head, etc), but actual mutations. So there was more meat to that quote in the VF article then I thought.

Wonder if there's any more mutations like this one on the new creature designs than we were able to spot yet?

I'm hoping that each individual Spinosaurus has its own unique design. Kinda like how every member of the JW raptor squad has subtle anatomical differences. Or this could just be me coping that the short fat necked Spino is not a representation of how Spinosaurus is going to look in this franchise now.

[Eatmycar]

Cool detail. The Spinosaurs seem to be suffering from hyperdontia.

That's a detail I would have never expected to see in a Jurassic movie, and it's quite impressive.

That said, it is repulsive. I hope they never incorporate that on the Hammond Collection one when this Spinosaurus gets a figure.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

If they at least looked like the figure I'd be ok with the design overall.  I'm starting to wish the Quetz was a Tupuxuara or even a Cearadactyl.  There surely will be some big twist ending in this film.  If they have any sense they will do something pretty awesome.

[Halichoeres]

Thanks @Faelrin.  I just re-watched the trailer and it simply says these animals were too dangerous for Jurassic Park.  I guess the movie will show what exactly is up with these animals.  I'm surprised though that Mosasaurus and Quetzalcoatlus are being called dinosaurs...  Is this an attempt by the franchise to change what the meaning of dinosaur is in everyday communication?

"Dinosaur" in everyday communication already doesn't mean the same thing as "dinosaur" as used by paleontologists. Dinosaur has a long-established metonymic meaning that includes a lot of things that aren't cladistically dinosaurs.

[bmathison1972]

Thanks @Faelrin.  I just re-watched the trailer and it simply says these animals were too dangerous for Jurassic Park.  I guess the movie will show what exactly is up with these animals.  I'm surprised though that Mosasaurus and Quetzalcoatlus are being called dinosaurs...  Is this an attempt by the franchise to change what the meaning of dinosaur is in everyday communication?

"Dinosaur" in everyday communication already doesn't mean the same thing as "dinosaur" as used by paleontologists. Dinosaur has a long-established metonymic meaning that includes a lot of things that aren't cladistically dinosaurs.

Exactly. There is absolutely nothing new about this use of the word dinosaur. Heck, when I was a child pterosaurs, Dimetrodon, prehistoric marine reptiles were all broadly called dinosaurs.

[Torvosaurus]

Thanks @Faelrin.  I just re-watched the trailer and it simply says these animals were too dangerous for Jurassic Park.  I guess the movie will show what exactly is up with these animals.  I'm surprised though that Mosasaurus and Quetzalcoatlus are being called dinosaurs...  Is this an attempt by the franchise to change what the meaning of dinosaur is in everyday communication?

"Dinosaur" in everyday communication already doesn't mean the same thing as "dinosaur" as used by paleontologists. Dinosaur has a long-established metonymic meaning that includes a lot of things that aren't cladistically dinosaurs.

Exactly. There is absolutely nothing new about this use of the word dinosaur. Heck, when I was a child pterosaurs, Dimetrodon, prehistoric marine reptiles were all broadly called dinosaurs.

My parents even called ground sloths, sabretooths, mammoths, etc. "dinosaurs". Pretty well anything that was extinct was a dinosaur to them, right or wrong.

Torvo

[Paleo Flo]

That's why I teach my daughter (3,5 years old) what the term "Dinosaur" means and what not. 

[Gwangi]

Even this forum is called the DINOSAUR Toy Forum. Despite the fact that it covers all prehistoric animals, dinosaur is still used as a catchall term.

[SidB]

Thanks @Faelrin.  I just re-watched the trailer and it simply says these animals were too dangerous for Jurassic Park.  I guess the movie will show what exactly is up with these animals.  I'm surprised though that Mosasaurus and Quetzalcoatlus are being called dinosaurs...  Is this an attempt by the franchise to change what the meaning of dinosaur is in everyday communication?

"Dinosaur" in everyday communication already doesn't mean the same thing as "dinosaur" as used by paleontologists. Dinosaur has a long-established metonymic meaning that includes a lot of things that aren't cladistically dinosaurs.

Exactly. There is absolutely nothing new about this use of the word dinosaur. Heck, when I was a child pterosaurs, Dimetrodon, prehistoric marine reptiles were all broadly called dinosaurs.

My parents even called ground sloths, sabretooths, mammoths, etc. "dinosaurs". Pretty well anything that was extinct was a dinosaur to them, right or wrong.

Torvo

Some people consider me a bit of a dinosaur at times, though apparently I'm not yet extinct.

[Protopatch]

In short, if you are aiming to view a scientifically accurate movie on dinosaurs, better avoid JP.
I would be keen on knowing how the film director worked with Brusatte and to what extent his advice have been considered ?
However, it should remain a great show with a 5-star casting and outstanding special effects to spend a good time with the whole family.