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Jurassic World: Rebirth (July 2, 2025) 🦕

Started by Giganotosaurus, January 22, 2024, 08:12:19 PM

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Quote from: Gwangi on May 20, 2025, 02:21:54 PMVisually this movie looks fantastic, the stuff with the T. rex and the river look brilliant. T. rex looks scary again! But that's all thanks to Gareth Edwards. Story wise though...

Thank you for summing up most of my thoughts. At this point, I think it's safe to say that the Titanosaurus is my favorite for being both reasonable ( https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/we-thought-we-knew-the-most-immense-dinosaur-ever ) & fun ( https://www.reddit.com/r/GODZILLA/comments/1ikkrd6/so_about_the_new_jw_rebirth_titanosaurus_design/ ). I also like the T. rex. It kinda reminds me of Wierum's "Rex" ( https://www.deviantart.com/fredthedinosaurman/art/Rex-788251011 ), but greener:


On a related note, 2 more things I noticed in the new trailer:
-1) At 0:47, it looks like the T. rex is actively trying to bite AROUND the teen (as opposed to the teen himself), which is annoying in a way that reminds me of the I. rex (See Alteori's video, 18:40): https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=11253.msg389636#msg389636
-2) What's w/the 0:57 part of the T. rex roar? It kinda sounds like they cut & paste together 2 different roars :-\

Quote from: Jose S.M. on May 20, 2025, 02:37:09 PMI got super excited about the real dinosaurs and then they hit me with those winged raptors, so sad.

To be fair, real raptors are also winged ;) Don't worry, I know what you mean. On a related note, it's disappointing that Empire was wrong about them being "feathered fiends" ( https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fouwbv9ui4gze1.png%3Fwidth%3D1330%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D7fe56a7eb090fdb0270984183364d0f3dbcb9e60 ). All the more reason we should've gotten "this Velocirapteryx" instead ;) : https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=11253.msg395807#msg395807

Quote from: Jose S.M. on May 20, 2025, 02:37:09 PMI do think it the raptors are not pre Jurassic Park, for what I understand the facilities were in use up to the 2010's

Glad you mentioned that. I keep forgetting that not everyone here watches breakdown/analysis videos. Speaking of...:

Quote from: Giganotosaurus on May 21, 2025, 02:18:55 AMI'm happy there is no Marvel-like humor,

Quote from: Dilopho on May 21, 2025, 02:47:07 AMFor me, when it gets unfunny is when movies have quip lines that disregard the scene, that seem to make fun of their own movie. The "Uhh..I guess THAT just happened" sort of lines.
They're not genuine, they're so yucky!

So basically, the 1st JWR trailer :||
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Dilopho

Quote from: HD-man on May 21, 2025, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: Dilopho on May 21, 2025, 02:47:07 AMFor me, when it gets unfunny is when movies have quip lines that disregard the scene, that seem to make fun of their own movie. The "Uhh..I guess THAT just happened" sort of lines.
They're not genuine, they're so yucky!

So basically, the 1st JWR trailer :||

Not quite, maybe the "none of what you just said is good" line skirts the line a bit but I could feel myself thinking the same if I was her..

One line from a film I like which I really can't stand is in Godzilla king of the monsters, where they're explaining King Ghidorah's origin in a hushed and revered tone, then suddenly they're like "What did she call him?" "She said King Gonorrhea"
Like really?

Eatmycar

Man, it's bad imho when I'm more excited for the toy line than the actual movie.

But that's been the case for Jurassic since Fallen Kingdom. These movies have really fallen off, but they make money so I guess that's why they churn them out.

New T. rex and Spino look great. I'd prefer a heron looking Spinosaurus, but I know Jurassic will never go into paleoart vibes so I don't expect that. For the seventh (ugh) movie in this IP, i actually like what I see until we hit the hybrid nonsense. The most hilarious thing is that none of these hybrids actually do anything different from real dinosaurs.

So why are we here making gorilla armed beluga dinosaurs and flightless dragon raptors? What's the point? Like, I get that some Jurassic fans are excited for this, but weren't Jurassic fans upset back when the older script with raptor human hybrids was leaked back in the day? It feels like we just took a roundabout way to get to hybrid animals and nonsense.

Whatever. These movies aren't worth taking seriously at this point. I'm just happy we get some cool toys.

Dilopho

Quote from: HD-man on May 21, 2025, 12:51:16 PMOn a related note, 2 more things I noticed in the new trailer:
-1) At 0:47, it looks like the T. rex is actively trying to bite AROUND the teen (as opposed to the teen himself), which is annoying in a way that reminds me of the I. rex (See Alteori's video, 18:40): https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=11253.msg389636#msg389636
-2) What's w/the 0:57 part of the T. rex roar? It kinda sounds like they cut & paste together 2 different roars :-\


I mean these T. rex don't have good eyesight, but I really like the shot of it looking at the guy underwater and trying to track him
There's thrill in a near miss, even if we do want to see some carnage from a risky move failing
I agree about kids in the series having plot armour because of course, but Koeppe did write on both JP1 and TLW which both had children in severe peril, the girl at the start of the lost world even being seriously injured offscreen

And yes, the new T. rex roar is odd, you can hear it in some of the toys too and it seems that they created some new roars by reversing and blending roars together. It's better than what they did for Fallen Kingdom at least, which was to just take the same roars and lower them until they sounded strange. I'm still not sure why they did that?

Quote from: Eatmycar on May 21, 2025, 03:35:58 PMLike, I get that some Jurassic fans are excited for this, but weren't Jurassic fans upset back when the older script with raptor human hybrids was leaked back in the day? It feels like we just took a roundabout way to get to hybrid animals and nonsense.

The mutants have two key differences to the human hybrid idea, the first is that they're still 100% animals, the second is that they aren't military

Some of those human hybrids had guns for arms!

I'm so thankful that they haven't stooped that low, but I worry they will every time there's a new film in production.
having your franchise being taken over by the military is pretty much the most boring possible route you can take

suspsy

I watched the trailer a second time and I still laughed out loud at it.

I do wonder now about the Lab Lockdown T. rex toy. If its name is any indication, it will appear in the early scene with the Tumourous Rex. In which case, I do hope that there isn't a battle between the two in which the T. rex gets killed, or nerfed or Worfed if you will. Like the locked door, it's been utterly overdone by now.
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I hope the more normal T.rex and the Belugous rex recognize each other as species members. Could lead to many fun possibilities, from Norm just quasi-adopting Beluga, to Norm reacting the way a human would to seeing a disfigured body horror monstrosity. My ideal version would be if both happened; Norm being scared shitless initially, but quickly warming up to Beluga, and making social gestures towards it to drag it away from the annoying humans since they can take bigger prey now that there's two of them.

Eatmycar

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That would be unique, but I don't expect Jurassic to do that on screen. It's funny you mention it though, because the JWE 2 Spinoraptor and Velociraptor have a similar interaction in game, where the hybrid comes up to the real Velociraptor, confuses the real one, then makes a bark sound at the raptor and the raptor goes "okay", and they just vibe together.

Also, what the hell did they do to the T. rex roar in this trailer? It's so bad. Like they combined a few sounds into one?

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I do not like the trailer. I don´t like what the franchise has become. I won´t be watching this movie, not at all in the cinema.

Pachyrhinosaurus

It's definitely something. Almost like they're working their way to homocraptors. I think this is a step in the right direction, though. It visually feels more like something that could have came out post JP/// than the World trilogy. I've learned to not take the new films as seriously as the first two and I think it'll definitely be a fun film to watch. It's neat that we're even getting more Jurassic content. It wasn't that long ago that we'd be hearing a new rumor every few years and then nothing to back it up.
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I'm not expecting this to be good, and I agree that it's going further and further from what the franchise is, but it at least looks fun. I'll happily take a fun bad Jurassic movie that does wacky stuff with the source material, over another Dominion snooze-fest.

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This might have been proposed earlier, but the whole 'we need DNA from the three biggest animals to make super medicine' thing is going to turn out to be a lie, right? There's absolutely going to be a moment where it turns out the mercs were hired to get old InGen data or something, and the DNA thing was just how they got Loomis to come along.
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avatar_Brontozaurus @Brontozaurus I'm really betting on that being the thing, but well, we'll have to see.

Also I kind of agree. I love JPIII. It's not a great film, but man I have fun watching it. And it doesn't overstay its welcome with the short runtime.

At the very least hey we got the river raft scene finally, and Spinosaurus is back again.
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Jose S.M.

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Seein the trailer again I can't help to feel the mutants are totally innecessary, nothing about the plot calls for them (as seeing in the trailer) unless there's a plot twist that states that what they actually need was samples from the monsters but I don't think that would be the case and it still would be just a justification to have them. The actual need samples for a medicne plot could be made without mutations. There's no need for a new island either for me, at least not one so removed from everything we knew, they could've used another one of Las 5 Muertes and that would make a bit more sense.
If I picture only the regular dinosaur scenes in the trailer in my head I actually think I would be excited for the movie. The Mutadons scenes could also have be made with something better than those things, like a deformed larger species of raptor. I saw somewhere that they were having trouble with making proper feathered dinosaurs originally so they could've used that instead of those small wyverns we got.

Faelrin

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Watched Evosquare's breakdown on the trailer 2, and while it remains to be seen how much of this lands true for the final film, it's um got me thinking some things.



Here's my thoughts, which will be under a spoiler:

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Seems some details have either changed (Titanosaurus aside, and probably the two headed raptor we saw, a placeholder for the Mutadon until its reveal was okayed) since the first articles on this film dropped, or things were being misreported, perhaps intentionally to hide some aspects of the film (two headed raptor again for example)? If I remember right earlier on it was reported that this was a pre-JP prototype island of sorts. Now it seems some of this stuff was going on during Jurassic World (the open park, not the film's events) prior to the Indominus rex escape incident? Hard to know for sure until the film releases but this being the testing floor for the hybrid stuff post Scorpios rex, and prior to the Indominus rex, would explain the obvious hybrid nature of the two non-prehistoric animals in this film. That said I do think the design of the D. rex could have possibly still worked as a failed clone early on, but other details make more sense (style of buildings in that opening shot of trailer 2 for example, etc). But probably works as a failed hybrid just as well.

I saw a comment on the video suggesting the D. rex is a potential hybrid between Titanosaurus and Tyrannosaurus, and I can kind of see it. Not the first time I've seen folks speculate on that either. Would potentially explain the massive size, etc (per the official size chart, not the sizing of the Mattel toys; edit: actually if the rumored Super Colossal one is still happening it might be close to scale like with the Super Colossal Mosasaurus I think?). And considering the nature of the mutadons, yeah that makes sense actually. I'm really thinking now that they are calling these things mutants as a rebranding of sorts. They made it clear they were doing away with them in Dominion, possibly due to fan backlash after Fallen Kingdom's release (even if the Giganotosaurus was basically like Indominus rex 2.0 in design, but all the same many animals in the World franchise suffer from too much crocodile basis), but now they are basically back again in all but name.

They've been wanting to do hybrids since before Jurassic World with the failed Jurassic Park 4 attempt. As I stated in an earlier comment, this is the state of the World films now. I think it's pretty clear it's so Universal can have something they can have the rights to and copyright, etc. They can't do that with real animals, even long extinct ones. So they make their own. I can't see us getting away from these as these films go on.

In any case I'm just waiting now for JWE3 to be revealed (even if I probably won't have the specs for it when it releases until some time after). At the very least these new creatures should be fun to use in that game, and I'm curious to see how they'll be implemented. And if those don't satisfy folks at least we got some designs that are bit more on the paleo side (Mosasaurus, T. rex, and Spinosaurus, despite some artistic license in some details) that will surely be great to have in the parks.

Edit: Yeah uh I forgot to mention this, but I just found it even funnier now that the D. rex uses that guy as a window cleaner. I mean I still feel bad for the guy, but I also simultaneously find this funny. Am I the only one having a mixed up reaction here?
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Paleo Flo

I have mixed feelings after whatching Trailer#2.

I think Mr. Edwards will give the Tyrannosaurus some might back.

In case of the Beluga-Head and the Mutadons....why, why, why?  ;D

I hope it will feel like a pure adventure-movie...with some vibes from the masterpiece JP and the imho best sequel "The Lost World".
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Quote from: Pachyrhinosaurus on May 22, 2025, 12:19:12 AMIt's definitely something. Almost like they're working their way to homocraptors. I think this is a step in the right direction, though. It visually feels more like something that could have came out post JP/// than the World trilogy. I've learned to not take the new films as seriously as the first two and I think it'll definitely be a fun film to watch. It's neat that we're even getting more Jurassic content. It wasn't that long ago that we'd be hearing a new rumor every few years and then nothing to back it up.

Homocraptors is what I'm going to refer to the human hybrids as forever now.

Torvosaurus

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Quote from: Paleo Flo on May 22, 2025, 10:24:09 AMI have mixed feelings after whatching Trailer#2.

I think Mr. Edwards will give the Tyrannosaurus some might back.

In case of the Beluga-Head and the Mutadons....why, why, why?  ;D

I hope it will feel like a pure adventure-movie...with some vibes from the masterpiece JP and the imho best sequel "The Lost World".

I can understand the D.rex. It looks like a failed science experiment that happened to live in spite of its less than desired mutations. The mutadons, however. To get back to the JW-feel, raptors would have been appropriate. Maybe even a two-headed raptor that might have survived. I really don't see any reason for them when raptors would do just fine.

They did away with the red sails on the titanosaurs. I liked those, it could have been a mutation or maybe the titanosaurs actually had them (in the JW world, of course.) But the new appearance on-screen looks like they just deleted them, leaving the sail base structures on the neck and tail. Looks odd to me.

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Gwangi

Evosquare's video informed me of some things I didn't know, chiefly that the Island of Misfit Dinosaurs pre-dates Jurassic Park. I guess it doesn't, because flashback scenes of the D-rex take place in 2010, which is when Jurassic World was in operation. That has me thinking that the D-rex is not a mutant but a botched hybrid, an Indominus proto-type sort of thing. That also makes me think that the Mutodons were intentionally made. I can stomach that better than the idea that they were botched cloning attempts that pre-date Jurassic Park, even though I actually like that premise better and wish they had done that instead.

Jose S.M.

T @Torvosaurus most people say that the sails are retractable so in the first trailer the individuals are displaying them and it seems that only some have sails probably sexual dimorphism.

avatar_Gwangi @Gwangi it could be both, maybe the D rex is indeed a botched attempt to make a Tyrannosaurus for the first park, they kept it alive so long because of plot reasons probably, they shouldn't have left it alive at all so it's not that far fetched that they left it since then. And the mutadons I feel are probably first attempts of hybrids or at least of some intentional gene splicing.

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Jurassic World is pretty much fast & furious with dinosaurs instead of cars.

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