CollectA New Spinosaurus (based on most recent information)

[amargasaurus cazaui]

I'm not a fan nor supportive of this new position for the Spinosaurus (without irrefutable proof), but I still might buy this model just because hey, it's a Spinosaurus.

Well its a Spino something.....you have to remember even the original type specimen was just a loose grouping of bones that may or may not have been associated or reconstructed correctly. In addition they were then destroyed during world war 2 and lost, and nothing approaching their number or size for a Spinosaurus had been found prior to this in a single specimen. Even then this new specimen is a chimera of bones from different animals at different age groups . In regards to Suspy's comment about consensus, I gues to illustrate the point more grandly it would be simpler to state that you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the paleo field accepting the conclusions of the current findings . Refutation in paper form is obviously coming .....given the reception the new reconstruction has met with. While that is still pending I see nothing wrong with accepting that is in fact the case, and understanding why,and then how it affects the animal.

[suspsy]

You'd be hard-pressed to find any topic that the paleontological community is 100% agreed upon. It's true that this new interpretation has met with a lot of skepticism, but that's part of being a scientist. You're supposed to question everything. And a lot of the objections have been addressed by Ibrahim himself. Mark Witton for one fully admits to having to eat his own words:

http://markwitton-com.blogspot.ca/2014/09/the-spinosaurus-hindlimb-controversy.html?m=1

[ignite444]

Oh I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, it certainly is, I'm just not supporting of it until more facts and/or proof is presented.

I just wish we had a more complete skeleton of Spinosaurus. *Sigh* You'd think with the fact that is was most likely aquatic to some extent, we'd have more bones, but nope.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Oh I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, it certainly is, I'm just not supporting of it until more facts and/or proof is presented.

I just wish we had a more complete skeleton of Spinosaurus. *Sigh* You'd think with the fact that is was most likely aquatic to some extent, we'd have more bones, but nope.

I could not agree more, it is a poorly understood animal and there are many issues with the new reconstruction that just dont work. I am just cautious to go and purchase three or four models of something that is likely to be proven badly thought out in a year, especially when there is considerable evidence to argue against it already....I think caution is the word, and collecta is attempting to capitalize on the hype is all. Ever hear the term hanging wallpaper in a burning house? It fits in this case...

[Jetoar]

Collecta again have done a great job  .

[sauroid]

CollectA swimming Spinosaurus

[Therizinosaur]

What do you think? I may end up getting all 3 of the new figures!



Photo credit: Everything Dinosaur

[Megalosaurus]

NO BASE?
That´s a surprise. I think they should include a removable base for this one.

[Megalosaurus]

1rst 2 pics are from the same figure.
I really not "eat" this reinterpretation of spinosaurus, but I like this figures just because it shows a behaivor. This time around it doesn't hurt its wrists.
The second one looks like the deluxe version but ¿scaled down?

[DinoToyForum]

Two topics merged. 

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I'm really digging the swimming pose. I'd go so far as to say I love it! 

I've not really weighed in much on the whole Spinosaurus new look thing, but it is clear that Hartman's blog continues to influence people's opinions. I spoke to Nizar Ibrahim about it, who is a friend, colleague (e.g http://plesiosauria.com/pdf/smith_and_ibrahim_2007.pdf), and the lead author of the study. I've been assured there are no scaling errors in the reconstruction, and that Hartman's critique is unfounded.

There are several factors that account for Hartman's confusion, but essentially, the main one is that femur is not oriented straight down in the skeletal reconstruction. Hartman measured a 2D image and based his conclusions on that, but in the 3D model the limb is pointing outwards and so it looks shorter from the side in 2D. I hope these CollectA models account for this too.

This was a weird creature indeed!

[Yutyrannus]

I'm definitely getting the swimming one.

[Patrx]

Thanks for chiming in, Doctor Admin - I've hesitated to form opinions on the matter myself on the grounds that I'm not an expert and haven't seen the material. Ibrahim et. al. are experts who have seen the material, so my inclination is to trust their assessment in terms of measurements.

As for locomotory hypotheses, the animal's walking methods are way to contentious for me to feel sure picking a side - so I'm glad to see CollectA's swimming model! Is it the same size as the walking one?

[Therizinosaur]

Two topics merged. 

Thanks! I'm still learning the ropes. :3

[SBell]

NO BASE?
That´s a surprise. I think they should include a removable base for this one.

I received my photos from Anthony Beeson of these poses--they are hoping to have a base for it, a clear plastic stand inspired by the Invicta bases! Although I would be just as happy with a river bottom base. That could connect up to the fish it shouls be chasing. Which is not a thing but should be (although, for those of us with the Colorata Fossil Fishes, it's a pretty easy fix!).

[Dinomike]

Two topics merged. 

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I'm really digging the swimming pose. I'd go so far as to say I love it! 

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This was a weird creature indeed!

I second Dr. Admin here! Love it!

[postsaurischian]

Argh! It's a pity the swimming one isn't the DeLuxe figure .

Hmm... the swimming one with a clear plastic Invicta like base and new colours - that could be good .

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Argh! It's a pity the swimming one isn't the DeLuxe figure .

Hmm... the swimming one with a clear plastic Invicta like base and new colours - that could be good .

It's pretty good size judging y my ruler. Maybe a sub-adult animal?

[Meso-Cenozoic]

Argh! It's a pity the swimming one isn't the DeLuxe figure .

Hmm... the swimming one with a clear plastic Invicta like base and new colours - that could be good .

It's pretty good size judging y my ruler. Maybe a sub-adult animal?

Chris, How did you get an estimate of the smaller ones? Sounds like they'll not be too small then maybe. Ultimately I would've liked the Deluxe figure to be the swimming one too. But maybe it wouldn't have been as big of a seller with kids because of its playability factor.... can't stand him on his feet to fight with.   Hehe!

I don't think anyone has posted all 3 figures together. With a wave of my magic photoshop wand, here they are...

The two on the left are the Standard size and the one on the right is the Deluxe. About the only difference I can see between the walking Standard and Deluxe is the raised front foot/hand on the Deluxe, and maybe a bit more paint detailing.

[Takama]

I cant help but notice that this is the first Time CollectA remade a Dinosaur for both there Standard and Deluxe lines.   In the past, if a dinosaur was remade, it was either one or the other

For instance there old Neovenator was a Abomination, so they remade it for the Deluxe line, but the abomination is still in the Standard range and they have yet to replace it

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Argh! It's a pity the swimming one isn't the DeLuxe figure .

Hmm... the swimming one with a clear plastic Invicta like base and new colours - that could be good .

It's pretty good size judging y my ruler. Maybe a sub-adult animal?

Chris, How did you get an estimate of the smaller ones? Sounds like they'll not be too small then maybe. Ultimately I would've liked the Deluxe figure to be the swimming one too. But maybe it wouldn't have been as big of a seller with kids because of its playability factor.... can't stand him on his feet to fight with.   Hehe!

I don't think anyone has posted all 3 figures together. With a wave of my magic photoshop wand, here they are...

The two on the left are the Standard size and the one on the right is the Deluxe. About the only difference I can see between the walking Standard and Deluxe is the raised front foot/hand on the Deluxe, and maybe a bit more paint detailing.

Nice!

ED mentioned it :

As for the scale on the swimming CollectA Spinosaurus, it is not really to scale, the Deluxe version from CollectA coming out this year is much larger at 36cm long approx.  The two models that will accompany the CollectA Deluxe are around 26cm long, more details on the Everything Dinosaur blog site, in articles such as this: Swimming Spinosaurs.

Hope this helps.

So 15"  for the Deluxe and 10 and a quarter inches for the standard, only about a 4" difference between them.