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Jurassic World discussion (spoilers)

Started by Tyrannax, June 10, 2015, 02:17:58 AM

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Gwangi

Great write-up Stargate but I feel like I have to defend the other JP kids. You said that aside from Kelly the rest are useless. Lex was definitely not useless in the original JP, she was actually the hero when she got the system up and running! The kid in JP3 while not particularly memorable did save Grant from the Velociraptor pack. As silly as that scene is, he wasn't useless.

Are you sure Roland tells Sarah to keep the bloody jacket? Because I really don't remember it, and I watched them film shortly before seeing JW and I've been watching the film at least once a year since 1997. I don't recall that line of dialogue. Roland wasn't waiting outside the tent for the rex either, Malcolm was the only one aware that the rex was there. At this point in the movie I think Roland was more concerned with survival than putting the life of a woman and child at risk for a trophy. Seems out of character, and something I would have likely remembered.


Blade-of-the-Moon

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Finally received my issue of Cinefex with the JW article ( the previous back issues, JP related are in the mail.. ;) ).

So far one thing that stood out to me was they mentioned noticing discrepancies between the CG Rexes in JP and the Stan Winston animatronic.  I wondered what was nagging me about the Rex's design in JW..they based it off the CG work and not Stan's animatronic.

Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Gwangi on July 15, 2015, 09:42:58 PM
Great write-up Stargate but I feel like I have to defend the other JP kids. You said that aside from Kelly the rest are useless. Lex was definitely not useless in the original JP, she was actually the hero when she got the system up and running! The kid in JP3 while not particularly memorable did save Grant from the Velociraptor pack. As silly as that scene is, he wasn't useless.

Are you sure Roland tells Sarah to keep the bloody jacket? Because I really don't remember it, and I watched them film shortly before seeing JW and I've been watching the film at least once a year since 1997. I don't recall that line of dialogue. Roland wasn't waiting outside the tent for the rex either, Malcolm was the only one aware that the rex was there. At this point in the movie I think Roland was more concerned with survival than putting the life of a woman and child at risk for a trophy. Seems out of character, and something I would have likely remembered.

Your correct, that's not in there. Rolland asks her if she is injured when he sees the blood on her jacket. She tells him it's from when she operated on the baby. He starts to say more but is then distracted.  Both him and her should have had some idea of the consequences but it could chalked up to a stressful situation.

Gwangi

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Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on July 16, 2015, 07:02:37 PM
Your correct, that's not in there. Rolland asks her if she is injured when he sees the blood on her jacket. She tells him it's from when she operated on the baby. He starts to say more but is then distracted.  Both him and her should have had some idea of the consequences but it could chalked up to a stressful situation.

Yes, I do remember Roland mentioning the jacket and while the situation was no doubt stressful the fact that not a single one of all of these educated and experienced people thought "hey, maybe throw that thing away" is pretty bad and only made their stressful situation a whole lot worse! But hey, it's a movie and the real reason the characters acted so idiotic is because of sloppy writing.I'm currently re-reading "The Lost World: Jurassic Park". It is sooo different from the movie, and so much better! They should have followed it more closely.

stargatedalek

I just checked that scene again and you guys are right, that was my bad! I was looking for logic that didn't exist, but I wouldn't say it was entirely sloppy since they do at very least have the tyrannosaurus catch on.

I have to concur, Lex and the JP/// kid none of us seem to remember the name of ( :P ) were not actually useless, but it still feels weird how they switch from useful to 'why are they even in this movie' so rapidly. This was a kid who couldn't let go of a rope, and three weeks later hes practicing for his own Discovery Channel special, I guess I never really thought of those points.

The book for TLW I prefer over the first book, but well, the movie just didn't hold a candle to anything else in the franchise at the time.

Gwangi

Quote from: stargatedalek on July 17, 2015, 03:05:29 AM
The book for TLW I prefer over the first book, but well, the movie just didn't hold a candle to anything else in the franchise at the time.

I think I agree with that as well but I have to finish reading TLW before I can stand by that statement.

Blade-of-the-Moon

TLW film was only loosely based on the novel..and I mean they took a few choice bits and ditched the rest.  I'm thinking Micheal was sharing his early drafts with Stephen and they just worked from those as I think the book came out around the same time as the film..right?

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Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on July 17, 2015, 04:31:06 AM
TLW film was only loosely based on the novel..and I mean they took a few choice bits and ditched the rest.  I'm thinking Micheal was sharing his early drafts with Stephen and they just worked from those as I think the book came out around the same time as the film..right?
No,the The Lost World novel came out in 1995,two years before the movie did.
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Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: John on July 17, 2015, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on July 17, 2015, 04:31:06 AM
TLW film was only loosely based on the novel..and I mean they took a few choice bits and ditched the rest.  I'm thinking Micheal was sharing his early drafts with Stephen and they just worked from those as I think the book came out around the same time as the film..right?
No,the The Lost World novel came out in 1995,two years before the movie did.

I recall reading an article with an excerpt..I'm thinking before the film came out but it was about the film work. 

wiki quote:
"After Jurassic Park was released to home video, Crichton was pressured from many sources for a sequel novel.[8] Crichton declined all offers until Spielberg himself told him that he would be keen to direct a movie adaptation of the sequel, if one were written. Crichton began work almost immediately and in 1995 published The Lost World. Crichton confirmed that his novel had elements taken from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's novel of the same name.[9] The book was also an outstanding success, both with professional and amateur critics.[8]

The film adaptation, The Lost World: Jurassic Park began production in September 1996.[10]"

It is odd if the novel were established that they off in such a different direction.

E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)

I just recently read TLW novel and I have to say, way better than the film. But I was thinking....what they should do now, instead of going into new characters and such with new sequels, they should just reboo the first three movies. The first and second follow the novels way more than the first films did only taking away material from the novel to make the movie faster instead of adding in different scenes. AN then maybe rewriting and changing the third film to be a much better end to the trilogy than it was (*hint hint* Four legged Spinosaurus :)
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stargatedalek

If they do reboot the movies than I wouldn't want them to be based on the films. The film and novel canons are very different, and if the movies get a fresh start I'd be curious to see what could be done while staying as close as possible to the novels.

Gwangi

I actually wouldn't have minded a JP reboot that followed the books and updated the science but I'm afraid that ship has sailed. They had a chance to reboot with JW and they decided to do a sequel instead. With the success of JW we can only expect more sequels. Maybe in another 20 years we'll hear talks of a reboot.

HD-man

Quote from: Gwangi on July 15, 2015, 09:42:58 PMGreat write-up Stargate but I feel like I have to defend the other JP kids. You said that aside from Kelly the rest are useless. Lex was definitely not useless in the original JP, she was actually the hero when she got the system up and running! The kid in JP3 while not particularly memorable did save Grant from the Velociraptor pack. As silly as that scene is, he wasn't useless.

Don't forget about Tim. He helps w/the Gallimimus in the following video.

Quote from: Gwangi on July 16, 2015, 10:10:09 PMYes, I do remember Roland mentioning the jacket and while the situation was no doubt stressful the fact that not a single one of all of these educated and experienced people thought "hey, maybe throw that thing away" is pretty bad and only made their stressful situation a whole lot worse! But hey, it's a movie and the real reason the characters acted so idiotic is because of sloppy writing.I'm currently re-reading "The Lost World: Jurassic Park". It is sooo different from the movie, and so much better! They should have followed it more closely.

This reminds me of how awesome the JP2 movie could've been: http://sharkeytrike.deviantart.com/art/JURASSIC-PARK-2-THE-LOST-WORLD-358886024

Quote from: insecticon678 on July 17, 2015, 03:30:30 PMAN then maybe rewriting and changing the third film to be a much better end to the trilogy than it was (*hint hint* Four legged Spinosaurus :)

B/c the JP3 Spinosaurus wasn't inaccurate enough. ;)

Quote from: Gwangi on July 17, 2015, 09:49:49 PMI actually wouldn't have minded a JP reboot that followed the books and updated the science but I'm afraid that ship has sailed. They had a chance to reboot with JW and they decided to do a sequel instead. With the success of JW we can only expect more sequels. Maybe in another 20 years we'll hear talks of a reboot.

This sums up my opinion on the matter: http://prehistoricpulp.blogspot.com/2014/02/hey-hollywood-forget-jurassic-park-make.html

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Gwangi

Quote from: HD-man on July 18, 2015, 04:26:32 AM
Don't forget about Tim. He helps w/the Gallimimus in the following video.

I'm not sure how helpful identifying some dinosaurs ultimately is but alright, I suppose it's something.


QuoteThis sums up my opinion on the matter: http://prehistoricpulp.blogspot.com/2014/02/hey-hollywood-forget-jurassic-park-make.html

Yeah, I think we can all agree that there is a lot of untapped material that would make for excellent dinosaur movies. I'll always be dreaming of a "Raptor Red" movie, "Zenozoic Tales" would be fantastic too. Personally I wouldn't mind a "Valley of Gwangi" remake either. Unfortunately the majority of dinosaur movies these days are cheesy Sci-fi channel movies or straight to DVD crap. I don't see that changing but hey, who knows. Maybe the success of "Jurassic World" will motivate someone to make a decent non-JP dinosaur movie. We're getting a "Skull Island" movie at least which while not strictly a dinosaur movie is the only other upcoming big budget movie to feature dinosaurs that I'm aware of (aside from the children's movies of course).

Plasticbeast95

I don't want a reboot, I cant stand those.

Gwangi

Quote from: Plasticbeast95 on July 18, 2015, 09:54:27 PM
I don't want a reboot, I cant stand those.

Some of them work, most of them don't but I can think of a few good reboots. "Jurassic Park" is/was a good choice simply because the novel was so different from the movie. There is a lot of great material in that book that wasn't addressed.

Takama

Quote from: Gwangi on July 19, 2015, 04:56:40 AM
Quote from: Plasticbeast95 on July 18, 2015, 09:54:27 PM
I don't want a reboot, I cant stand those.

Some of them work, most of them don't but I can think of a few good reboots. "Jurassic Park" is/was a good choice simply because the novel was so different from the movie. There is a lot of great material in that book that wasn't addressed.

I heard somewhere that if the films followed the book more, they would be rated R.    I want to see them adapt the book More in a reboot, but i fear they will shoot for a PG-13 rating just to get Kids to see because KIDS LIKE DINOSAURS.  Also, if they do reboot it. They better get the Animals right. or explain otherwise in the plot

triceratops83

Quote from: stargatedalek on July 17, 2015, 06:13:28 PM
If they do reboot the movies than I wouldn't want them to be based on the films. The film and novel canons are very different, and if the movies get a fresh start I'd be curious to see what could be done while staying as close as possible to the novels.

I'd like to see a television series chronicle the building of the park and finishing off with the events of the novel.
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tyrantqueen

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Personally, I don't think the original JP needs rebooting. It does not need to be "updated" with feathered dinosaurs. The original novel did not have feathered dinosaurs. This is first and foremost a "Jurassic Park" movie, not a scientific one. Maybe the original movie could have been more faithful to the book, but everyone knows that material has to be cut and changes made when a book is translated to a movie.

So, I'm happy with the direction JP is going now. I hope we can get more movies/spinoffs with more material. I'm just happy JP is back from the dead.

Shadowknight1

Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 19, 2015, 02:05:34 PM
Personally, I don't think the original JP needs rebooting. It does not need to be "updated" with feathered dinosaurs. The original novel did not have feathered dinosaurs. This is first and foremost a "Jurassic Park" movie, not a scientific one. Maybe the original movie could have been more faithful to the book, but everyone knows that material has to be cut and changes made when a book is translated to a movie.

So, I'm happy with the direction JP is going now. I hope we can get more movies/spinoffs with more material. I'm just happy JP is back from the dead.
Totally agree.  And the whole "dinosaurs should have feathers" thing is answered in the film.  They've been creating "monsters" since the beginning since they weren't using pure DNA samples.
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