Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Maybe if we're lucky this film will reintroduce the old designs and by end pave the way for new ones. For example, samples are collected and by the end we see some modification..maybe a feathered dino hatching or something similar. Great lead in to JP5.

[scallenger]

I for one think feathers would be a horrible idea for Jurassic Park. The problem was stated earlier: story continuity, which was partially ruined with Jurassic Park 3, honestly. The dinosaurs in the first Jurassic Park NEVER had feathers. Nor did the first sequel. So it's clear that at least the dinosaurs they made never had them, for whatever reasons. As others also stated, a good explanation is that these are more genetic mutations rather than pure "dinosaurs". If one reads the novel, this is further evidenced. One of my favorite chapters in the book was "Version 4.4", where Hammond and Dr. Wu discuss how the dinosaurs in their park move too fast and etc, and how Wu wishes to make them slower for the guests to better enjoy, along with other modifications for easier maintenance. The fact that they had to fill in "gaps" with other DNA at all automatically puts into question just how accurate their dinosaurs ever were at all. But they made them as close as they could. Maybe somehow with the missing DNA, the feathers were somehow lost? I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow mention it in their script in JP4.

That's the thing, though. The first and second films (and novels) already showed us that both islands feature dinosaurs WITHOUT feathers. That's it. They don't have them, for whatever reason, as stated above. Because we have already seen, in the continuity of the films, that they don't. The fact that in JP3 they had quills is honestly a flub, in my eyes. They really shouldn't have done that. Because why didn't they have them before? Along with the color designs. Why did their color change? That bugged the hell out of me, too. I really doubt there were that many types of raptors running around. But I guess that could be debated.

Still, honestly, the idea that the dinosaurs in JP4 would have feathers is very silly to me. I'm not saying ANYONE is silly for wanting them, I'm just saying I think it is a silly thing to want in my opinion. It would screw everything up. And to top it all off... they wouldn't be Jurassic Park dinosaurs. Just "dinosaurs". Sure they would be more accurate. But they still wouldn't be Jurassic Park. I think those who want feathered dinosaurs should get more excited for Walking With Dinosaurs 3D. But for people that want another Jurassic Park film, I honestly think having accurate dinosaurs should be the last thing you would want. Rather, hope they get the atmosphere and the story right. That is FAR and away more important. Which is why I would be extremely opposed to a dinosaurs on the mainland movie if that is where the plot goes. Did the ending to The Lost World (film version) feel very Jurassic Park-like? I sure didn't think so. It didn't work for me. Yeah, it was a fun sequence. But very out of place. I hope they keep it on one of the islands or something similar and deliver us something that truly belongs in it's universe. So I'd say that having no feathers on the dinosaurs is a very good step in the right direction.

[stoneage]

They could threat it as some condition where every new Generation of JP Dinosaurs becomes more like the real deal.

@Tyrantqueen: I don't know if he is one, hence the questionmark. If he was a Creationist, the very existence of feathered, non-avian Dinosaurs would threaten his views.

So you assume that because he might be a creationist, he must try to shovel his views down movie goers throats, because that is what all creationists (and to an extent, religious people) do? Riiight....

Like I said before, whether or not he is a creationist is irrelevant. This is a work of fiction, after all. Not all religious people (and by extension creationists) try to force their views on others.

I think if his alleged creationist beliefs were threatened by the film, he would not have chosen to direct it.

Just for the record creationist believe that Archaeopteryx, Caudipteryx, Microraptor etc. had feathers, but that they were birds and not dinosaurs.  Above is a picture of Archaeopteryx from a creationist museum.

Also they don't believe in evolution but they apparently believe this!

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I for one think feathers would be a horrible idea for Jurassic Park. The problem was stated earlier: story continuity, which was partially ruined with Jurassic Park 3, honestly. The dinosaurs in the first Jurassic Park NEVER had feathers. Nor did the first sequel. So it's clear that at least the dinosaurs they made never had them, for whatever reasons. As others also stated, a good explanation is that these are more genetic mutations rather than pure "dinosaurs". If one reads the novel, this is further evidenced. One of my favorite chapters in the book was "Version 4.4", where Hammond and Dr. Wu discuss how the dinosaurs in their park move too fast and etc, and how Wu wishes to make them slower for the guests to better enjoy, along with other modifications for easier maintenance. The fact that they had to fill in "gaps" with other DNA at all automatically puts into question just how accurate their dinosaurs ever were at all. But they made them as close as they could. Maybe somehow with the missing DNA, the feathers were somehow lost? I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow mention it in their script in JP4.

That's the thing, though. The first and second films (and novels) already showed us that both islands feature dinosaurs WITHOUT feathers. That's it. They don't have them, for whatever reason, as stated above. Because we have already seen, in the continuity of the films, that they don't. The fact that in JP3 they had quills is honestly a flub, in my eyes. They really shouldn't have done that. Because why didn't they have them before? Along with the color designs. Why did their color change? That bugged the hell out of me, too. I really doubt there were that many types of raptors running around. But I guess that could be debated.

Still, honestly, the idea that the dinosaurs in JP4 would have feathers is very silly to me. I'm not saying ANYONE is silly for wanting them, I'm just saying I think it is a silly thing to want in my opinion. It would screw everything up. And to top it all off... they wouldn't be Jurassic Park dinosaurs. Just "dinosaurs". Sure they would be more accurate. But they still wouldn't be Jurassic Park. I think those who want feathered dinosaurs should get more excited for Walking With Dinosaurs 3D. But for people that want another Jurassic Park film, I honestly think having accurate dinosaurs should be the last thing you would want. Rather, hope they get the atmosphere and the story right. That is FAR and away more important. Which is why I would be extremely opposed to a dinosaurs on the mainland movie if that is where the plot goes. Did the ending to The Lost World (film version) feel very Jurassic Park-like? I sure didn't think so. It didn't work for me. Yeah, it was a fun sequence. But very out of place. I hope they keep it on one of the islands or something similar and deliver us something that truly belongs in it's universe. So I'd say that having no feathers on the dinosaurs is a very good step in the right direction.

Feathers are only a horrible idea I think if it's not explained properly. Any scenes on the islands should feature featherless dinosaurs unless they are new species. The Raptor's in JP3 were a different species or version if I recall. One considered too intelligent and dangerous the Park .   If Biosyn say or some other company produces new or modified dinosaurs to be more current they should be feathered to fall in line with that thinking.  It's also possible to ret-con, perhaps the first dinosaurs created hatched with feathers..the geneticists thought it was a mistake having no evidence for it so removed them.   I'm good either way honestly. Heck we can even have both if the story is right.

[tyrantqueen]

They could threat it as some condition where every new Generation of JP Dinosaurs becomes more like the real deal.

@Tyrantqueen: I don't know if he is one, hence the questionmark. If he was a Creationist, the very existence of feathered, non-avian Dinosaurs would threaten his views.

So you assume that because he might be a creationist, he must try to shovel his views down movie goers throats, because that is what all creationists (and to an extent, religious people) do? Riiight....

Like I said before, whether or not he is a creationist is irrelevant. This is a work of fiction, after all. Not all religious people (and by extension creationists) try to force their views on others.

I think if his alleged creationist beliefs were threatened by the film, he would not have chosen to direct it.

Just for the record creationist believe that Archaeopteryx, Caudipteryx, Microraptor etc. had feathers, but that they were birds and not dinosaurs.  Above is a picture of Archaeopteryx from a creationist museum.

Also they don't believe in evolution but they apparently believe this!

I'm more-or-less aware of what creationists believe. Please don't drag this debate up again

Also, something that has always bugged me personally about JP movies- how do people know that, in the JP universe canon, dinosaurs ever had feathers at all? What about if it's not down to the fact that the dinosaurs were cloned and their DNA got messed up (thus the featherless raptors, frilled dilophos etc), but that they simply evolved the way they did in the JP universe, as opposed to real life. It's sort of like an alternate universe to our own, you know? So, in the JP alternate universe, the dinosaurs are perfectly accurate

Okay, maybe that's a crazy theory. And it would probably suck all the fun out of the movies (and turn them into pure fantasy), but it does make you think XD

[Takama]

I will say that the Frilled Dilophos are in fact the result of a Spliceing Error.

I got that from Jurrasic Park the game (one that i shall play to learn more)

[Brontozaurus]

I for one think feathers would be a horrible idea for Jurassic Park. The problem was stated earlier: story continuity, which was partially ruined with Jurassic Park 3, honestly. The dinosaurs in the first Jurassic Park NEVER had feathers. Nor did the first sequel. So it's clear that at least the dinosaurs they made never had them, for whatever reasons. As others also stated, a good explanation is that these are more genetic mutations rather than pure "dinosaurs". If one reads the novel, this is further evidenced. One of my favorite chapters in the book was "Version 4.4", where Hammond and Dr. Wu discuss how the dinosaurs in their park move too fast and etc, and how Wu wishes to make them slower for the guests to better enjoy, along with other modifications for easier maintenance. The fact that they had to fill in "gaps" with other DNA at all automatically puts into question just how accurate their dinosaurs ever were at all. But they made them as close as they could. Maybe somehow with the missing DNA, the feathers were somehow lost? I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow mention it in their script in JP4.

That's the thing, though. The first and second films (and novels) already showed us that both islands feature dinosaurs WITHOUT feathers. That's it. They don't have them, for whatever reason, as stated above. Because we have already seen, in the continuity of the films, that they don't. The fact that in JP3 they had quills is honestly a flub, in my eyes. They really shouldn't have done that. Because why didn't they have them before? Along with the color designs. Why did their color change? That bugged the hell out of me, too. I really doubt there were that many types of raptors running around. But I guess that could be debated.

Still, honestly, the idea that the dinosaurs in JP4 would have feathers is very silly to me. I'm not saying ANYONE is silly for wanting them, I'm just saying I think it is a silly thing to want in my opinion. It would screw everything up. And to top it all off... they wouldn't be Jurassic Park dinosaurs. Just "dinosaurs". Sure they would be more accurate. But they still wouldn't be Jurassic Park. I think those who want feathered dinosaurs should get more excited for Walking With Dinosaurs 3D. But for people that want another Jurassic Park film, I honestly think having accurate dinosaurs should be the last thing you would want. Rather, hope they get the atmosphere and the story right. That is FAR and away more important. Which is why I would be extremely opposed to a dinosaurs on the mainland movie if that is where the plot goes. Did the ending to The Lost World (film version) feel very Jurassic Park-like? I sure didn't think so. It didn't work for me. Yeah, it was a fun sequence. But very out of place. I hope they keep it on one of the islands or something similar and deliver us something that truly belongs in it's universe. So I'd say that having no feathers on the dinosaurs is a very good step in the right direction.

Any notion of dinosaur-related story continuity went out the window with the second movie, where the raptors went from brown to tiger-striped with no explanation. Plus, the raptors weren't the only dinosaurs that changed between movies. In JPIII, the T-rex became green, the Brachiosaurs were green striped with red crests, and the Pteranodons just got weird. Add in all the dinosaurs that only appear in one movie (like the Mamenchisaurus in TLW) and it's clear that keeping the dinosaurs similar between movies was not a big priority. So why would they bother now?

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

There wasn't an explanation in the film, one of many mistakes there, but the difference in coloration is a male/female deal. The ones in Jurassic Park were all female and older females to boot.  The ones in the LW are male and female but all younger animals. Because if you read the novel none live more than a few years because of a faulty gene.

The Dilophosaurus is never mentioned to have a frill in the first novel but does spit venom. For the film they just upped that bit to make it more visual.  It is probably a result of gene splicing though, just like the Raptors and Rex in the novel have forked tongues...and Hammond thought they were real dinosaurs.. lol

[tyrantqueen]

At the beginning of the first movie, the film makers tried to create a sense of awe and wonder by playing orchestral music and showing the characters being moved by seeing dinosaurs revived for the first time (for example Alan Grant looking at the brachio with tears in his eyes, which I thought was a bit trite, but whatevs)

Am I the only one who feels as though this is kind spoilt when you find out that the "dinosaurs" are just theme park mutants? It kind of takes away the feeling, because you're not really looking at a pure dinosaur (in the film) but just some freak created with DNA. And people who say this film revolutionised the way that the general public views dinosaurs....I kind of feel as though that is questionable, since these aren't really dinosaurs at all :/

[Gwangi]

At the beginning of the first movie, the film makers tried to create a sense of awe and wonder by playing orchestral music and showing the characters being moved by seeing dinosaurs revived for the first time (for example Alan Grant looking at the brachio with tears in his eyes, which I thought was a bit trite, but whatevs)

Am I the only one who feels as though this is kind spoilt when you find out that the "dinosaurs" are just theme park mutants? It kind of takes away the feeling, because you're not really looking at a pure dinosaur (in the film) but just some freak created with DNA. And people who say this film revolutionised the way that the general public views dinosaurs....I kind of feel as though that is questionable, since these aren't really dinosaurs at all :/

I don't think most people understand that in the movie the dinosaurs are theme park monsters. It never really says that in the movie, well it does in the third one anyway but I took that as Grant making an excuse not to go back. We know they're theme park monsters because we've all read the books or are otherwise invested in the "expanded universe" of the story. Joe on the street doesn't know that and he probably thinks the real Dilophosaurus had a frill and Velociraptor was scaly but on the plus side because of JP he now knows that dinosaurs were not overgrown lizards and are related to birds.

I don't think introducing feathered dinosaurs would hurt the continuity at all. New species crop up in every film and they could easily keep their featherless dinosaurs and introduce something with feathers like an Oviraptor or Microraptor. Hell, they could introduce some new dinosaurs and replace the older ones all together. So they could do away with Velociraptor completely and to make up for it introduce a similar animal and give it feathers. No big deal. Watching "The Hobbit" last night I paid special attention to the eagles and other CGI birds in the film, you can't really use the difficulty of animating feathers as an excuse anymore.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I think they will use the older animals in this film though..to bring people back with something familiar. They may add a new animal here or there, but I suspect the best time to introduce new ones and feathered species will be in the next film, JP5, should this one do well we can probably expect another trilogy.

[Brontozaurus]

I think they will use the older animals in this film though..to bring people back with something familiar. They may add a new animal here or there, but I suspect the best time to introduce new ones and feathered species will be in the next film, JP5, should this one do well we can probably expect another trilogy.

I don't want to sound too much like I hate the franchise, but I think JP needs to die. The original film ended without much room for a sequel. Admittedly, TLW (both book and film) did a good job of making a sequel when there was no prospect of one, but I think the potential plot ran out there. It's obvious in JPIII since a lot of the movie is made of dinosaur attack scenes with bits interspersed between them to get the cast from one dinosaur to the next. There isn't even an actual Jurassic Park in the films anymore, it's just Island Full of Dinosaurs: The Movie. If JP4 goes with 'dinosaurs invade cities' (which it probably will), it'll be Dinosaurs Attack: The Movie, and it'll just be a really upmarket Syfy channel movie.

What I'm trying to say is that with every movie, the JP series gets further and further into generic dinosaur B-movie territory, with the only ties to the original film being its now outdated dinosaurs.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I think they will use the older animals in this film though..to bring people back with something familiar. They may add a new animal here or there, but I suspect the best time to introduce new ones and feathered species will be in the next film, JP5, should this one do well we can probably expect another trilogy.

I don't want to sound too much like I hate the franchise, but I think JP needs to die. The original film ended without much room for a sequel. Admittedly, TLW (both book and film) did a good job of making a sequel when there was no prospect of one, but I think the potential plot ran out there. It's obvious in JPIII since a lot of the movie is made of dinosaur attack scenes with bits interspersed between them to get the cast from one dinosaur to the next. There isn't even an actual Jurassic Park in the films anymore, it's just Island Full of Dinosaurs: The Movie. If JP4 goes with 'dinosaurs invade cities' (which it probably will), it'll be Dinosaurs Attack: The Movie, and it'll just be a really upmarket Syfy channel movie.

What I'm trying to say is that with every movie, the JP series gets further and further into generic dinosaur B-movie territory, with the only ties to the original film being its now outdated dinosaurs.

Which is why I think we need to bring back Biosyn and Dodgson as a villain. Biosyn could create their park and get us back into that feel I think...of course they could also bring the underlying danger aspect to full force since these guys are not out to simply make dreams come true..the dark side of Disney perhaps.

Really I'm feeling this movie will not be done in cities, but will feature dinosaurs on the mainland. I'm thinking they may start on one of the islands and then go to the jungles of Costa Rica ala the novels.  That would work well for Raptors and smaller dinos..not sure how a T-Rex would get there though.

[CityRaptor]

Maybe the way it did in TLW, via ship.

Hmm, guess that is what it would look like if JP Rexes had feathers:

It's from the newest Sentai Series, Kyoryuger.

[DinoToyForum]

... Alan Grant looking at the brachio with tears in his eyes, which I thought was a bit trite, but whatevs)

You're clearly not a palaeontologist  - I'm quite sure there would be tears if it were me

[tyrantqueen]

... Alan Grant looking at the brachio with tears in his eyes, which I thought was a bit trite, but whatevs)

You're clearly not a palaeontologist  - I'm quite sure there would be tears if it were me

No, but I am autistic and don't show my inner emotions easily.

[stoneage]

... Alan Grant looking at the brachio with tears in his eyes, which I thought was a bit trite, but whatevs)

You're clearly not a palaeontologist  - I'm quite sure there would be tears if it were me

No, but I am autistic and don't show my inner emotions easily.

That may be but you seem very emotional to me!

[ChrisLikesDinos]

... Alan Grant looking at the brachio with tears in his eyes, which I thought was a bit trite, but whatevs)

You're clearly not a palaeontologist  - I'm quite sure there would be tears if it were me

I think that's true for most people, Paleontologist or not.

Which is why I want JP4 to have some 'real' Dinosaurs. I want to be wowed like I was with the first movie.

[tyrantqueen]

... Alan Grant looking at the brachio with tears in his eyes, which I thought was a bit trite, but whatevs)

You're clearly not a palaeontologist  - I'm quite sure there would be tears if it were me

No, but I am autistic and don't show my inner emotions easily.

That may be but you seem very emotional to me!

No offense, but you don't know me. Also, one thing to bear in mind is that on the internet, written words may be interpreted differently than the writer intends, because this is written (and not spoken word) and, therefore, there is no way to determine the emotions of someone by tone of voice.

I think that in the event that you met me in real life, your opinion of me would be quite different.

I think that's true for most people, Paleontologist or not.

Not me...I don't see why anyone would be moved to tears over such a thing. I like dinosaurs a lot, really, but they would never make me cry.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

... Alan Grant looking at the brachio with tears in his eyes, which I thought was a bit trite, but whatevs)

You're clearly not a palaeontologist  - I'm quite sure there would be tears if it were me

I think that's true for most people, Paleontologist or not.

Which is why I want JP4 to have some 'real' Dinosaurs. I want to be wowed like I was with the first movie.

Same here..the seeing JP the first time in theaters was like getting a kid's fondest wish..we saw REAL dinosaurs. I recall feeling much like Grant there..your awestruck over the Brachiosaur then Hammond drops the T-REX bombshell..whew.