Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[Gwangi]

Seeing living non-avian dinosaurs would be an emotional experience for me. I can't say I would cry but I cannot say there wouldn't at least be tears. There are animals alive today that could probably make me shed a tear just to have the opportunity to see them in the wild. But yeah, seeing a living representative of an animal I've always wanted to see since childhood but thought I never would, would no doubt result in some kind of emotional response.
Like others, the original Jurassic Park came the closest to doing that for me. I didn't cry or anything but I was nine years old so needless to say I was awe struck. Prior to that my favorite dinosaur movie was "Planet of Dinosaurs" for crying out loud. Feathered dinosaurs in JP4 if done well in the right scene could bring back some of that feeling.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

I remember the scene with the Brachiosaurus very well and the first time I saw it. I thought it was stunning and the size and way the animal moved was totally captivating. Then, inexplicably they had it rear up and eat from the trees above and the entire effect for me was shattered, as Brachiosaur is perhaps the least suited sauropod there is to have such an adpatation, of all the possibilities. Such a stunning scene.......why?

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I remember the scene with the Brachiosaurus very well and the first time I saw it. I thought it was stunning and the size and way the animal moved was totally captivating. Then, inexplicably they had it rear up and eat from the trees above and the entire effect for me was shattered, as Brachiosaur is perhaps the least suited sauropod there is to have such an adpatation, of all the possibilities. Such a stunning scene.......why?

It's true it has issues looking back, but back then I didn't have the faintest idea it was incorrect. The closest I had come to a living dinosaur at that point was the Dinamation creations. My since of awe far outweighed any issues...though I do recall wondering why it wasn't following the book which I had committed to memory at the time. I didn't understand running times and adaptations then of course.

I suspect nostalgia is a big reason for going back to the first films dinos as well.  Of course if it the film takes place on Nublar then it makes perfect sense we have feathered dinos...depends on the story as well I think.  We need to see the film first before jumping to conclusions.

[tyrantqueen]

I remember the scene with the Brachiosaurus very well and the first time I saw it. I thought it was stunning and the size and way the animal moved was totally captivating. Then, inexplicably they had it rear up and eat from the trees above and the entire effect for me was shattered, as Brachiosaur is perhaps the least suited sauropod there is to have such an adpatation, of all the possibilities. Such a stunning scene.......why?

Because Brachiosaurus is one of the best known sauropods to the general public...and the rearing thing looked "cool". So put two and two together.

Scientific accuracy will always take a back seat to dramatic effect, at least in films anyway.

[Yutyrannus]

Maybe the way it did in TLW, via ship.

Hmm, guess that is what it would look like if JP Rexes had feathers:

It's from the newest Sentai Series, Kyoryuger.

That would be awesome if they looked like this in JP4!

[Takama]

I now have a new hope for this film.

I hope that it dont resort to Venemous Troodons that paralyze there prey and lay eggs in its abdomen. (after seeing that in Jurrasic Park the game)

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

JP: The Game did a good job playing off the established canon and giving us a good story. But I'm not sure if the 4th film will adhere to anything used in the game..it's actually a bit doubtful I think.  Though if JP4 gets a video game who knows ?

[tyrantqueen]

If JP4 ends up sucking (even worse than JP3) will you guys still support the franchise?

Let's say it's a reboot and it sucks, will you support a hypothetical JP5 after that? And buy the toys and merch too?

(I'm not saying it will suck, just curious of people's opinions)

[Patrx]

If JP4 ends up sucking (even worse than JP3) will you guys still support the franchise?
Let's say it's a reboot and it sucks, will you support a hypothetical JP5 after that? And buy the toys and merch too?

That's an interesting question, TQ! For my part, it's tough to imagine passing up a ticket to anything with "Jurassic Park" in the name. Perhaps I'm just easy to market to. As to weather I'll like it, well that depends on the product. I had to watch JP3 several times before I could forgive its shortcomings and enjoy it as an expensive, stupid B-movie. From the sound of things, the franchise is getting further and further from the things that made it great to begin with, and that is distressing. I have to admit, though, that there is a noisy, childish part of myself that will always pay to see even the most ill-conceived dinosaurs up on that screen. Don't think I'll be buying any toys, though, as I don't go in for action figures.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Hmm..it would have to be pretty bad for me not to enjoy it on some level. Like Patrx said I enjoy almost anything with dinosaurs of some sort in it with only a few exceptions.

If JP4 was so totally out there I couldn't find anything in it I liked then I might care a bit less about a JP5..though of course there will still hope they could turn it around . I didn't mind JP3 myself for instance and enjoyed for all the dinosaur scenes which were great.

Will I buy the merchandise ? Well that all depends. A great movie doesn't mean I'll buy everything with it's brand on it. I liked King Kong as a film but only ever bought the one big V-Rex figure.  Merchandise to me has to stand on it's on. If we get a bunch of repaints or crappy figures with the brand on them I'll pass.  But if there are gems like the new Pachyrhino and Allo then I'll buy just them.  Alternately if the movie is really bad but the figures turn out nice I might buy em' anyway.

[Hermes888]

Weren't the new Jurassic Park toys supposed to come out today?

Idk but with a 4th movie coming out in the next 3 years and the 1st in threaders in 3D,I would expect a high demand of JP toys soon.

Jurassic Park IV has the tentative release date of June 13th 2014.

[postsaurischian]

Jurassic Park IV has the tentative release date of June 13th 2014.

  I can well do without.

[tanystropheus]

It's the cover to IDW's last JP comic series.  There were quite a few feathers in it as a matter of fact..

Even on the raptors, which makes the whole JPIV 'no feathers' thing worse.

I really don't understand JPIV's anti-feathers stance, at all. I just watched JP-3D and realized that the original film actually had an excessive amount of references to dinosaurs being 'bird-like'. Thus, feathered dinosaurs on JP4 would resonate rather well with the underlying themes explored in JP1. Heck, they can even adopt some artistic license with respect to re-imagining Jurassic Park e.g. 1) the dinosaurs are 'cloned' and therefore can evolve quills and feathers at a faster rate? 2) the different islands and geographical differentiation would allow for natural selection to play out (Darwinian finch-style)

[Takama]

It's the cover to IDW's last JP comic series.  There were quite a few feathers in it as a matter of fact..

Even on the raptors, which makes the whole JPIV 'no feathers' thing worse.

I really don't understand JPIV's anti-feathers stance, at all. I just watched JP-3D and realized that the original film actually had an excessive amount of references to dinosaurs being 'bird-like'. Thus, feathered dinosaurs on JP4 would resonate rather well with the underlying themes explored in JP1. Heck, they can even adopt some artistic license with respect to re-imagining Jurassic Park e.g. 1) the dinosaurs are 'cloned' and therefore can evolve quills and feathers at a faster rate? 2) the different islands and geographical differentiation would allow for natural selection to play out (Darwinian finch-style)

From what i hear. the director loved the first film, like a fan of it. I also heard a lot of Jurassic park fans don't like feathers because they think there not Terrifying or extreme(makes me wonder if they ever seen an eagle or casowarriy before) To that i have to quote something from Horridus in one of his reviews.

Those who don't like the idea of feathers are quite welcome to grumble quietly in the corner, clutching there VHS copies of Jurassic Park-just as long as they don't get in the way of the feathery future

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

This really isn't where to get into this.. but I like both ideas..feathers are fine as long as they make sense in the universe/continuity.  If these are animals from the first island or even some from the second it makes sense they wouldn't have them  . These are animals from the early 90's after all..they are a product of their time. In the universe the scientists at JP just created what people thought they looked like at the time so no feathers. Just adding feathers with no explanation wouldn't work either.  I don't think a rapid evolution would take place.  The only possibility would be retconning it..for example the JP scientists actually hatched out feathered dinosaurs..but thought they incorrect so removed them. Maybe a few of those " imperfect " ones survived somewhere since Hammond didn't have the heart to destroy them  .

If they introduce another company producing their own or new dinosaurs then we can certainly have feathers on those..it just depends on the story.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Are you kidding?This is hollywood where the answers come with the click of a plot twist. If they wished to for instance introduce feathers, all they would need do is suggest into the storyline that the entire lysine contingency thing had an unexpected side effect, the supression of feather and quill development. Once the animals were able to breed three of four generations away from the issue....voila, they began sprouting feathers, quills, and you are off and running.
    In hollywood such machinations are rather simple for a writer to implant and could easily answer the entire problem

[SBell]

Judging by LW and JPIII, I would guess that the fans are willing to put far more effort into plot inconsistencies and scientific considerations than any of their writers ever were. They will do what they do, we will be happy with some parts and unhappy with others, we will buy the toys and see the movie and they will make money. I guess it's a little cynical, but in the end they know that people will see a new JP movie no matter what. And our complaints, if any, will only cause discussion to further their brand!

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Eh I think the fans including myself would more than that..I mean it has to make sense as well.

Quite right SBell.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Eh I think the fans including myself would more than that..I mean it has to make sense as well.

Quite right SBell.

History does not suggest this is the case, frog DNA, mosquito blood, and a dozen other plot ghosts suggest they can write what they want and people will, as Sbell said, go anyway. I doubt that it requires being believable, it simply asks you to be able to suspend your disbelief.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Eh I think the fans including myself would more than that..I mean it has to make sense as well.

Quite right SBell.

History does not suggest this is the case, frog DNA, mosquito blood, and a dozen other plot ghosts suggest they can write what they want and people will, as Sbell said, go anyway. I doubt that it requires being believable, it simply asks you to be able to suspend your disbelief.

All those elements were explained quite thoroughly in the novels though lending themselves to believability. Heck when the novel and first film came out it was actually thought it just might possible to accomplish with these ideas..further research proved it wouldn't work..but at the time there was a lot of thinking they would.

I don't mind suspending my disbelief for some films...but each world has it's own rules to play by. Jurassic Park is VERY similar to our own though.  I like concepts and ideas that aren't completely out of the realm of possibility ..even given some extreme theory.   Say they introduced Dodgson and Biosyn and they used the reverse process to grow dinosaurs from chickens and other fowl...then we could have dinosaurs with feathers no problem.