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UPCOMING PEGASUS HOBBIES TREX/TRIKE AND MORE, BY GALILEO, SHANE FOULKES

Started by Simon, October 17, 2012, 02:13:58 PM

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modelnut

Simon,

You are going to need a very strong metal bar to do that. If I had it to do all over again I would bisect the legs down the thighs all the way to the toes or wherever you want the reinforcing metal bar to come out of the kit. Hollow out a channel and glue the leg back together. I got that advice from a friend who has been building models for much longer than I have. If I ever buy another one that is certainly what I will do.

- Leelan


Simon

Don't worry, I'll have it figured out before I start the build.  Although, like I said, I plan for a much more vertical "pirouette"-like pose ...  ;)

Simon

Quote from: modelnut on August 21, 2016, 03:45:34 AM
Simon,

You are going to need a very strong metal bar to do that. If I had it to do all over again I would bisect the legs down the thighs all the way to the toes or wherever you want the reinforcing metal bar to come out of the kit. Hollow out a channel and glue the leg back together. I got that advice from a friend who has been building models for much longer than I have. If I ever buy another one that is certainly what I will do.

- Leelan


Hey Leelan - Don't know if you've ever seen this one before, I finished it 2 years ago but still haven't painted it - its my custom of Shane Foulkes' 1/20 Spinosaurs arms and head grafted onto a running TRex body made by someone else.  Take a good look at that wire - it starts from inside the 2" thick heavy wood base, rises through the small resin base, then goes up through the leg, then the entire torso, and hooks onto the top of the back (underneath quickplastic putty and the metal and putty sail that I handcrafted).

That is a 31" long, ridiculously heavy model - and that wire holds it in place like there's no tomorrow.  ;D


nwfonseca

Quote from: Simon on August 20, 2016, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: nwfonseca on August 20, 2016, 01:20:50 AM
Have you considered using epoxy sculpt or some other filler in the leg in addition to the rod? You could fill in the legs and foot with filler "i.e. epoxy sculpt or something similar"  and the rod and then glue up the leg. Once the stuff hardens, with the addition of the rod it would be pretty tough. You could then use the epoxy sculpt to clean up the join.

Good luck!

Despite being vinyl, these Horizon models are SOLID, not hollow.  So you can't fill them up.  They are as heavy as resin (hence the problem with the TRex's ankles handling the weight.)

Therefore either a prop under the stomach, or a wire inserted into a hole drilled through the entire leg are the solution.  Still undecided how I'm going to do mine (which will be on one leg with the other one modified to be in the air...)

Solid vinyl!? Most of the vinyl I have ever worked on were hollow. That giant Halcyon Alien comes to mind. No wonder the thing sags. A little heat and the vinyl becomes pliable. I guess that explains why it was mounted with both feet on the base originally. I'm guessing these are hand cast rather than injection molded or roto-cast or the body would have been hollow; that's a shame. I'd opt for the drilling through the whole leg rather than a prop. I've used a 3/16 steel rod for one of my sculpts once. While difficult to bend that thing didn't move at all.

modelnut

Nice Spino, Simon!

The Pegasus is standing on one foot as well but definitely not running like yours. This one is carefully balanced to a "T". It hasn't moved at all in over a year since I assembled and primed him. I need to finish the Onchopristis that he's about to have for dinner. The Xiphactinus finally has a new body more accurate than Galileo gave him. I hope to start painting Xippy this weekend. I also have a 24th scale Cameroceras ready for painting. If all goes well I should have pictures to share by next week.

- Leelan

modelnut

Here is my kitbashed Xiphactinus ready to paint. And there is the museum display that I used to plan my corrections.



- Leelan

Dilopho

Quote from: modelnut on August 28, 2016, 03:29:24 PM
Here is my kitbashed Xiphactinus ready to paint. And there is the museum display that I used to plan my corrections.



- Leelan
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I bought that same kit (I didn't even want the Spinosaurus, just the Xiphactinus) and was disappointed that one side of the fish was completely hollowed out. So I've been meaning to sculpt the other side anyway, but I hadn't noticed how out of proportion it was. This is a big improvement and gives me some good ideas.
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Planning on getting the trike and spino tomorrow. Not a fan of the rex's snake-like head. It's just so weird. Anyway, my paints and putty are just waiting for the two.

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CARN0TAURUS

I apologize in advance, I realize this thread hasn't been posted on in FIVE years but I only just recently purchased the triceratops.  I know I know, it's probably inaccurate and not up to today's standards in terms of anatomical precision.  But I'm seriously blown away by this model, the size, the weight, the pose, the level of detail etc...  It's fantastic!  I'm writing about it because it has literally no way of securing it onto it's base and I'm wondering how you guys solved this issue with your kits.

Thanks in advance for your help, I'd like to hear from folks that own this and have actually worked on this, there is a serious lack of online videos of this beast.  For something this impressive I'd expect a lot of build and painting videos but hardly anything is out there.  Andy from Andy's dinosaur reviews has a video but doesn't show assembly, filling, or  how he mounted onto the base and in his video he mounted it touching on three legs which shows the triceratops almost falling over on it's left side.  So that's not helpful at all as this monster was meant to touch only on two legs with two in motion.  The model is way way too heavy to expect CA to hold it onto the base with just two very small contact points.  I'd love to pin it down but with the base being hollow.  BTW the dinosaur being solid and the base being hollow is kind of funny, the base should be the heaviest part of this thing and with it being hollow it's impossible to run a pin in it.  I've also considered reinforcing it with rods under the other two legs but that would be a last resort type deal of I can't figure out something better. 

BlueKrono

avatar_Carnotaurus @Carnotaurus Have you considered filling the hollow body so that you could pin it? Or if you didn't want to fill the whole thing, maybe putting a thick patch over the part to be pinned so there's something for it to grab onto?
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CARN0TAURUS

Quote from: BlueKrono on December 21, 2021, 03:59:17 PM
avatar_Carnotaurus @Carnotaurus Have you considered filling the hollow body so that you could pin it? Or if you didn't want to fill the whole thing, maybe putting a thick patch over the part to be pinned so there's something for it to grab onto?

Do you have any images you can share? 

paintingdinos

Quote from: CARN0TAURUS on December 21, 2021, 03:24:34 PM
I apologize in advance, I realize this thread hasn't been posted on in FIVE years but I only just recently purchased the triceratops.  I know I know, it's probably inaccurate and not up to today's standards in terms of anatomical precision.  But I'm seriously blown away by this model, the size, the weight, the pose, the level of detail etc...  It's fantastic!  I'm writing about it because it has literally no way of securing it onto it's base and I'm wondering how you guys solved this issue with your kits.

Thanks in advance for your help, I'd like to hear from folks that own this and have actually worked on this, there is a serious lack of online videos of this beast.  For something this impressive I'd expect a lot of build and painting videos but hardly anything is out there.  Andy from Andy's dinosaur reviews has a video but doesn't show assembly, filling, or  how he mounted onto the base and in his video he mounted it touching on three legs which shows the triceratops almost falling over on it's left side.  So that's not helpful at all as this monster was meant to touch only on two legs with two in motion.  The model is way way too heavy to expect CA to hold it onto the base with just two very small contact points.  I'd love to pin it down but with the base being hollow.  BTW the dinosaur being solid and the base being hollow is kind of funny, the base should be the heaviest part of this thing and with it being hollow it's impossible to run a pin in it.  I've also considered reinforcing it with rods under the other two legs but that would be a last resort type deal of I can't figure out something better.

Odd. Mine balances on 2 feet without support:



I don't recall having to do anything special to it. Its certainly not glued or pinned.

Something you might consider is buying an appropriately sized piece of wood to use as a base (something like this maybe?) and affixing the plastic base to the wood first. Then you could drill a hole to pin one or both of the legs.

CARN0TAURUS

Quote from: paintingdinos on December 21, 2021, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: CARN0TAURUS on December 21, 2021, 03:24:34 PM
I apologize in advance, I realize this thread hasn't been posted on in FIVE years but I only just recently purchased the triceratops.  I know I know, it's probably inaccurate and not up to today's standards in terms of anatomical precision.  But I'm seriously blown away by this model, the size, the weight, the pose, the level of detail etc...  It's fantastic!  I'm writing about it because it has literally no way of securing it onto it's base and I'm wondering how you guys solved this issue with your kits.

Thanks in advance for your help, I'd like to hear from folks that own this and have actually worked on this, there is a serious lack of online videos of this beast.  For something this impressive I'd expect a lot of build and painting videos but hardly anything is out there.  Andy from Andy's dinosaur reviews has a video but doesn't show assembly, filling, or  how he mounted onto the base and in his video he mounted it touching on three legs which shows the triceratops almost falling over on it's left side.  So that's not helpful at all as this monster was meant to touch only on two legs with two in motion.  The model is way way too heavy to expect CA to hold it onto the base with just two very small contact points.  I'd love to pin it down but with the base being hollow.  BTW the dinosaur being solid and the base being hollow is kind of funny, the base should be the heaviest part of this thing and with it being hollow it's impossible to run a pin in it.  I've also considered reinforcing it with rods under the other two legs but that would be a last resort type deal of I can't figure out something better.

Odd. Mine balances on 2 feet without support:



I don't recall having to do anything special to it. Its certainly not glued or pinned.

Something you might consider is buying an appropriately sized piece of wood to use as a base (something like this maybe?) and affixing the plastic base to the wood first. Then you could drill a hole to pin one or both of the legs.

That looks beautiful!!!

I'm concerned it'll topple over every time we get a little tremor.  I need to secure it to the base.  I like the idea of using a piece of wood underneath.  I like making my own wood bases so I'll either replace the plastic altogether or do what you said :)

CARN0TAURUS

https://imgur.com/cnOspmx

This is what I'm doing with mine, but I can't get the image to post properly.  Can someone kindly post the image, I've tried and can't figure it out, TIA :)

I've never liked the pose of the T-rex, he's standing on a baby triceratops and roaring?  So it occurred to me that if you draw a straight line from the tip of his snout to the tip of his tail he's really straight so he can be posed in a more conventional way walking forward and horizontal to the ground.  I just had to modify his left ankle.  But then the jaws are open really really wide.  My next idea was to modify his mouth closed or at least not as open.  But when I started thinking how to pose these two together keeping the mouth open made some sense.  First I posed them facing off but the base alone was going to be like 2 feet across and the whole thing from tail to tail was going to measure almost 3 feet!  Not practical for me so I started fiddling around with poses and this one looked good to me.  Triceratops appears to have been separated from his herd, in a panic he attempts to flee and T-Rex is frozen in that split second in time when he's lunging at the neck of the triceratops.  Then I did an online search for "T-rex vs tricerotops art" and I found many many examples of a T-rex posed in a similar attacking position to the side and slightly behind triceratops.  Which makes more sense than T-rex risking a frontal attack.

I took the photo at an angle just to get everything into the picture as the whole thing from the tip of the trikes horns to the tip of the t-rex's tail is still 22" long!.  The base is cut and sanded and the figures are temporarily pinned onto it.  I considered hiding a pin between their bodies to give the two more rigidity but I'm not sure it's really necessary.  This thing is very heavy and it won't be getting moved around if at all.  Now if the sun decides to poke out today I might primer the T-rex today.

paintingdinos

Quote from: CARN0TAURUS on December 23, 2021, 03:45:56 PM
https://imgur.com/cnOspmx

This is what I'm doing with mine, but I can't get the image to post properly.  Can someone kindly post the image, I've tried and can't figure it out, TIA :)



Got you covered! With imgur, copy the link that's labeled "direct link" (or, depending on your browser, you can usually right click and copy image address). If you only copy the "image link" it wont contain the full address with the file type (.jpeg in this case) meaning the img tag here wont work.

The wood base looks fantastic. I think it was a good choice for this diorama. I like the direction you're going with it- also wasn't a big fan of the Rex standing on baby Triceratops scene, so I never purchased that kit. The adult with the Rex looks much better to me.

CARN0TAURUS

Quote from: paintingdinos on December 23, 2021, 05:58:18 PM
Quote from: CARN0TAURUS on December 23, 2021, 03:45:56 PM
https://imgur.com/cnOspmx

This is what I'm doing with mine, but I can't get the image to post properly.  Can someone kindly post the image, I've tried and can't figure it out, TIA :)



Got you covered! With imgur, copy the link that's labeled "direct link" (or, depending on your browser, you can usually right click and copy image address). If you only copy the "image link" it wont contain the full address with the file type (.jpeg in this case) meaning the img tag here wont work.

The wood base looks fantastic. I think it was a good choice for this diorama. I like the direction you're going with it- also wasn't a big fan of the Rex standing on baby Triceratops scene, so I never purchased that kit. The adult with the Rex looks much better to me.

Thanks paintingdinos!  It's really frustrating to deal with my wife's Ipad, no right click option on images to find their URL, my PC went kaput about 2 years ago and I still haven't replaced it.  Truth is I haven't really needed it much.  My entire social media/online presence is basically here, a WW2 modelling forum, and a couple of forums for my my favorite sport teams and that's it.  I've never had a myspace, facebook, tik tok, twitter, blah blah blah blah account.  I like dinosaurs but my family says I AM a dinosaur, LOL!

The base is an optical illusion, it's junk in person.  I found a piece of an old work bench cabinet where I used to hang my woodworking tools, the darn thin is full of holes.  So I'm not going to varnish it, instead I'm going to use plaster and grout plus kitty litter to give it texture and cover up all the holes, once all that hardens I'll probably paint it in different earth tones, it won't even look like it's made of wood, LOL.

CARN0TAURUS



OMG!  I got it to post!  LOL!

Anyways, here's a small update on the triceratops :)

Still needs a wash, dry brushing, and all sorts of detailing plus some weathering with pigments.  I found some pictures on the internet to use as inspiration/guide for the paint and then I added my own twist.

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