Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[tyrantqueen]

Meh, I'm tempted to root for Kong more, maybe because I don't like the Godzilla fanboys. Maybe Godzilla is "King of the Monsters" but Kong is a cultural behemoth in his own right (and yes, I know the Toho creation is its own thing, but it takes its influence from the Universal Kong). Too many times I see people complaining and saying Godzilla should have won, but give Kong some recognition. Just the way I see it.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

yeahh most of all the reason why someone or some group make a film is to get more profit by entertain the people. Like what you said, we can only hope that it will be working. But as you know the maker is steven spielberg 

Well as far as I know Spielberg is only the executive producer, the director is Colin Trevorrow who only had one film to his credit (albeit a good one). But Speilberg's involvement does not guarantee a good movie. He directed The Lost World (in my opinion the worst JP movie) and produced JP3 which was not very good either.

May I ask your opinion as to why LW is the worst? I personally think the third movie is the worst (NOT just 'cause the Tyrannosaurus dies, but for other reasons), but that's just my preference.

I actually enjoyed both LW and JP3, but that dosn't mean I think they were good movies.  LW was a movie were they tried to put in all the things they were unable to do or use in the first movie, and not even try to actually adapt the book.  One of Spielberg laziest efforts. It was all eye candy without substance.  Now JP3, I thought was better since it didn't try to be anything other than a simple action, adventure film.  Yes it still added things from the first book, like the Aviary.  Instead of making well thought out sequels, they just took the first movie and rehash some of it, add some big special effects, and presto you have the next JP movie. 

In JP3 T-Rex Spinosaurus fight, in reality, I think T-Rex would kick Spinosaurus Butt.  Only on dry land of course.  They should have made two versions like they did with Godzilla vs King Kong.  One version T-Rex wins, the other version Spionsaurs drags T-Rex under the waves.

The original version of JP3 had a final battle between the Raptors and the Spinosaurus that was cut for what we got. In the concept art it looked like the Spino was swarmed with raptors. For those that didn't Spiney.

Roland actually had a cooler backstory with a deleted scene that should have been left in , see 3:08 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4y0dOjjNQ

Also the film leads you to believe he and Ajay broke the baby Rex's leg, in reality a deleted scene showed a drunken Ludlow stumbling in and stepping on it.

Way too much was cut from TLW.

The Godzilla discussion needs to be taken to the Godzilla thread guys.

[Meso-Cenozoic]

Chris, that second deleted scene especially is a great scene! Reminds me a bit of Indiana Jones.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Chris, that second deleted scene especially is a great scene! Reminds me a bit of Indiana Jones.

My thoughts exactly. He's a bit of a rogue, but a moral one...just follows his own code. The movie made him out to be the villainous henchman. 

If you search youtube for lost world deleted scene there is a video with a bit more to that clip but I didn't like the ad on it..seemed weird to place that sort of thing there.

[Meso-Cenozoic]

OK, thanks! I haven't searched for deleted scenes from any of the Jurassic Park movies for a long time. It'd be interesting to see what comes up still.

And btw, I'm a proud fan of all three movies! And I got a hunch I'll be lovin' the fourth as well.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

OK, thanks! I haven't searched for deleted scenes from any of the Jurassic Park movies for a long time. It'd be interesting to see what comes up still.

And btw, I'm a proud fan of all three movies! And I got a hunch I'll be lovin' the fourth as well.

They should all be on there still..as well behind the scenes stuff too.

[CityRaptor]

The reason for the existence of D-Rex:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Jurassic-World-Chose-Mysterious-Hybrid-Its-Villain-68450.html
It also more or less confirms that they breed sharks for food.

[Meso-Cenozoic]

Interesting article/interview. Thanks for posting it, CityRaptor!

[Hermes888]

They fixed the "Sue" error.
Did You Know? "Sue" was the name given to the most complete T. rex fossil ever discovered.
How they managed to mess that up in the first place is beyond me.

[leidy]

http://dinogoss.blogspot.com/2014/11/is-jurassic-world-stealing-from.html

What does he or anyone else want for the microscopic use of of a silhouette of your art, what 1:100th of a cent royalty does he think is fair?

He doesn't want royalties, he just wants the film industry to stop stealing the work of him and his peers. Using these shadows is stealing. Super simple stuff.

I'm not convinced they took his minmi silhouette, that's a very generic pose, although the bigger sin here is that the silhouettes are so badly chosen.  How is anybody supposed to make out the pachycephalosaur? 

The dumb thing is that it's really unnecessary, surely there's been more than enough official Jurassic Park production art over the years they could have drawn from.  To give one example, there's some damn fine profile drawings by Greg Wenzel in the book of The Lost World, to give another there's the production designs by Crash McCreery.

That chart looks like it was hastily thrown together at the last minute with google image search close at hand.

Well as far as I know Spielberg is only the executive producer, the director is Colin Trevorrow who only had one film to his credit (albeit a good one). But Speilberg's involvement does not guarantee a good movie. He directed The Lost World (in my opinion the worst JP movie) and produced JP3 which was not very good either.

I share that opinion.  Although I accept I may be biased because TLW was such a massive disappointment that my hopes for JPIII were substantially lower.

Roland irritated me, but I found the insufferable good guys just as grating.  And yeah, I also noticed how they were essentially the cause of everything that went wrong, only to turn around later and self-righteously point the finger at Mr bad Executive man.  The only guys I liked ended up being dino fodder.  They didn't have anyone as cool as Muldoon, or Samuel L Jackson, or Jeff Goldblum in the first movie.

I actually liked the 2nd book better than the first book, and thought Spielberg really messed it up unnecessarily.  I figured the perfect trilogy would've saved the mainland mayhem for the 3rd movie.  JP3 was left in the unenviable position of not really having anywhere new to go with it.

From the outset, I don't think the premise for JP3 was up to much, but they made do with it, and it could've worked on its own terms as a smaller scale movie.  Making a focus of Spinosaurus was a good gimmick.  Where they really screwed up was with the ending.  What they really needed was something splashy, like a rematch, maybe have 2 T.rexes show up at the last minute and take down the Spinosaur once and for all.  That would've been more of a high note to end on, like the first movie.  Never mind all that satellite phone nonsense.  A bit hard to swallow.       

[tyrantqueen]

Watching the movie will be fun, but I am also very much looking forward to coming back to the forum after my cinema trip and sharing my experience with everyone else. I can't wait to see what kind of experience everyone else has Whether the movie is good or bad, I intend to have some fun.

[sauroid]

this thread would trend like crazy once the movie is shown.

[Gwangi]

I share that opinion.  Although I accept I may be biased because TLW was such a massive disappointment that my hopes for JPIII were substantially lower.

Roland irritated me, but I found the insufferable good guys just as grating.  And yeah, I also noticed how they were essentially the cause of everything that went wrong, only to turn around later and self-righteously point the finger at Mr bad Executive man.  The only guys I liked ended up being dino fodder.  They didn't have anyone as cool as Muldoon, or Samuel L Jackson, or Jeff Goldblum in the first movie.

Yes, everyone was so thrilled to have Malcolm back for TLW but aside from some witty remarks he hardly seemed like the same character from the first movie. He was like a different more subdued version of Malcolm from the original.

I actually liked the 2nd book better than the first book, and thought Spielberg really messed it up unnecessarily.  I figured the perfect trilogy would've saved the mainland mayhem for the 3rd movie.  JP3 was left in the unenviable position of not really having anywhere new to go with it.

I can't say I liked the second book more than the first but it was at least on par with it. This is one of those cases where I actually read the book before watching the movie and I have to agree, the movie deviated way too far from the superior plot of the book. Characters like Sarah Harding were actually likable in the book too!

From the outset, I don't think the premise for JP3 was up to much, but they made do with it, and it could've worked on its own terms as a smaller scale movie.  Making a focus of Spinosaurus was a good gimmick.  Where they really screwed up was with the ending.  What they really needed was something splashy, like a rematch, maybe have 2 T.rexes show up at the last minute and take down the Spinosaur once and for all.  That would've been more of a high note to end on, like the first movie.  Never mind all that satellite phone nonsense.  A bit hard to swallow.       

The ending really was the worst part about JP3. So bizarre and abrupt, not to mention anti-climatic.

[triceratops83]

The ending really was the worst part about JP3. So bizarre and abrupt, not to mention anti-climatic.
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I managed to read the script a few years back, and the subplot with the raptor resonating chamber tied in with the ending better. During the Spinosaurus attack, when it's trying to get William H Macy on the Crane, Grant blows the "Help" call and the Raptors show up en masse and bring down the Spinosaur. I forget what happened to the eggs, though. Then the Pteranodons attacked the helicopters during the escape, resulting in the decapitation of one of them, which was a re-used Lost World ending. This script's probably still floating around somewhere. Wasn't a lot of difference from the movie but the parts they excised would've made it better.

[stargatedalek]

I think it would be interesting if the events of JW managed to get covered up somehow,  really bring forth the corporate aspects and leaving room for future films

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Malcolm was supposed to be more dark ? I think in TLW novel. He certainly seemed gruffer to me.

Would have liked to have seen that. Same for the other characters. They were all so well written and likable..even the villains.

I wonder if Spielberg just had a rough concept from Crichton for the novel as it wasn't done yet and that's what he worked from?

[Gwangi]

Malcolm was supposed to be more dark ? I think in TLW novel. He certainly seemed gruffer to me.

Would have liked to have seen that. Same for the other characters. They were all so well written and likable..even the villains.

I wonder if Spielberg just had a rough concept from Crichton for the novel as it wasn't done yet and that's what he worked from?

I believe I've read that Spielberg was pretty disenchanted with making the movie, his heart wasn't in it. It is certainly one of his weaker efforts, if not the weakest! I'm hard pressed to think of any Spielberg movie I would call "bad".

[triceratops83]

I believe I've read that Spielberg was pretty disenchanted with making the movie, his heart wasn't in it. It is certainly one of his weaker efforts, if not the weakest! I'm hard pressed to think of any Spielberg movie I would call "bad".
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The characterization was the low point, the people in that movie don't behave like they would if they had been closer to the novel. For example, Sarah tells Nick not to light a cigarette or bend a blade of grass so as to not disturb the ecosystem, but moments before caused a Stegosaurus stampede. I also like how our "heroes" are ultimately responsible for the deaths of a couple dozen people by sabotaging their camp. Those animals were after all the property of Ingen. Just think, we could've had a Jurassic Park in San Diego if Sarah and Nick didn't let all the captured dinosaurs out. They're criminals! Dodgson would've made a better villain. Still love the movie, though.

[Takama]

has anyone seen this yet?

[Gwangi]

The characterization was the low point, the people in that movie don't behave like they would if they had been closer to the novel. For example, Sarah tells Nick not to light a cigarette or bend a blade of grass so as to not disturb the ecosystem, but moments before caused a Stegosaurus stampede. I also like how our "heroes" are ultimately responsible for the deaths of a couple dozen people by sabotaging their camp. Those animals were after all the property of Ingen. Just think, we could've had a Jurassic Park in San Diego if Sarah and Nick didn't let all the captured dinosaurs out. They're criminals! Dodgson would've made a better villain. Still love the movie, though.

Oh yes, I know it. I said all the same stuff on just the last page when asked to explain my preference for JP3 over TLW.

That picture of Chris Pratt with the raptors is pretty epic but is it official or fan made?