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Schleich: New for 2018

Started by Takama, July 31, 2017, 10:13:31 PM

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Shonisaurus

Quote from: Irritation on August 15, 2017, 11:45:06 PM
I hope some of these rumors are true. We need some decent creatures since this years was a bad one.

It has not been so bad they have made an improved kentrosaurus.

On the other hand the re-editions of tyrannosaurus rex, feathered velociraptor and carnotaurus are at least better than their predecessors.


Sim

Why call that figure a "feathered Velociraptor"?  Schleich is just calling it "Velociraptor", and almost all of Schleich's previous Velociraptor figures had feathers, the one in the 3-figure set even had more feathers than this new one.  Additionally, Velociraptor is a dinosaur known to have feathers in life, so putting "feathered" before it places undue emphasis on a normal part of the animal.  Dromaeosaurids were feathered like birds in life, this Schleich Velociraptor on the other hand is mostly featherless with a feather distribution that doesn't make sense and looks terrible.  So calling the Schleich figure "feathered" feels like treating its feathering as much better than it really is.  That Schleich figure doesn't even have a head that looks like the head of Velociraptor, so seeing it called a "feathered Velociraptor" (which to me suggests trying to seriously represent Velociraptor) makes me think a company can make such an awful figure that doesn't even look like the animal it's representing, and people will still find it an acceptable representation.

Velociraptor skeleton:
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Schleich's new Velociraptor figure:
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Reptilia

#62
I'm sure Shonisaurus didn't mean to offend anyone, nor Velociraptor dignity, by calling the Schleich figure "feathered Velociraptor". It is just an habit, Papo and Safari Ltd call their current figures "feathered Velociraptor" too, it is a superfluous adjective but it's fine, we're just talking about toys.

Nanuqsaurus

Quote from: Sim on August 16, 2017, 03:40:04 PMSchleich is just calling it "Velociraptor", and almost all of Schleich's previous Velociraptor figures had feathers, the one in the 3-figure set even had more feathers than this new one.

Maybe I'm thinking about a different set, but the 3-figure raptor set from Schleich doesn't have a Velociraptor in it. As far as I know, it contains Utahraptor, Deinonychus and Microraptor.

Sim

Quote from: Reptilia on August 16, 2017, 03:49:36 PM
I'm sure Shonisaurus didn't mean to offend anyone, nor Velociraptor dignity, by calling the Schleich figure "feathered Velociraptor". It is just an habit, Papo and Safari Ltd call their current figures "feathered Velociraptor" too, it is a superfluous adjective but it's fine, we're just talking about toys.

I don't think Shonisaurus was meaning to offend anyone, and I wasn't suggesting that.  It's different with the Papo and Wild Safari figures, as those figures are actually called "Feathered Velociraptor" by those companies, so referring to them as that can be justified for this reason.  Those figures also have a good amount/distribution of feathers, and the previous Velociraptor figures in those lines were featherless.  So while still superfluous, it feels more appropriate to call these figures "feathered" than the Schleich figure.  In contrast, as I said in my previous post, the Schleich figure is just called "Velociraptor" by the company, it's poorly feathered, and almost all of Schleich's previous Velociraptor figures have feathers.  So what's the point of calling it "feathered Velociraptor"?


Quote from: Nanuqsaurus on August 16, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Maybe I'm thinking about a different set, but the 3-figure raptor set from Schleich doesn't have a Velociraptor in it. As far as I know, it contains Utahraptor, Deinonychus and Microraptor.

Schleich hasn't made a Deinonychus figure, the third figure in that set is labelled Velociraptor : https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/construction-and-cars/schleich/schleich-dinosaurs/schleich-feathered-raptors-dinosaurs/p/156918

Nanuqsaurus

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Quote from: Sim on August 16, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: Reptilia on August 16, 2017, 03:49:36 PM
I'm sure Shonisaurus didn't mean to offend anyone, nor Velociraptor dignity, by calling the Schleich figure "feathered Velociraptor". It is just an habit, Papo and Safari Ltd call their current figures "feathered Velociraptor" too, it is a superfluous adjective but it's fine, we're just talking about toys.

I don't think Shonisaurus was meaning to offend anyone, and I wasn't suggesting that.  It's different with the Papo and Wild Safari figures, as those figures are actually called "Feathered Velociraptor" by those companies, so referring to them as that can be justified for this reason.  Those figures also have a good amount/distribution of feathers, and the previous Velociraptor figures in those lines were featherless.  So while still superfluous, it feels more appropriate to call these figures "feathered" than the Schleich figure.  In contrast, as I said in my previous post, the Schleich figure is just called "Velociraptor" by the company, it's poorly feathered, and almost all of Schleich's previous Velociraptor figures have feathers.  So what's the point of calling it "feathered Velociraptor"?


Quote from: Nanuqsaurus on August 16, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Maybe I'm thinking about a different set, but the 3-figure raptor set from Schleich doesn't have a Velociraptor in it. As far as I know, it contains Utahraptor, Deinonychus and Microraptor.

Schleich hasn't made a Deinonychus figure, the third figure in that set is labelled Velociraptor : https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/construction-and-cars/schleich/schleich-dinosaurs/schleich-feathered-raptors-dinosaurs/p/156918

According to the official Schleich website, it's a Deinonychus. Which makes sense, because all dinosaurs from the ''conquering the Earth'' tagline are from the late Jurassic and early Cretaceous.
https://www.schleich-s.com/en/US/dinosaurs/products/feathered-raptors-42347.html

EDIT: they call it Velociraptor in the description, but Deinonychus in the contents list. Schleich doesn't really know what they're doing.

Sim

#66
I think we can agree that Schleich doesn't really know what they're doing!  Is this 3-figure pack from the Conquering the Earth tagline though, as I haven't seen this?  The figure is only referred to as "1 x Deinonychus" in the content section, while it's referred to as Velociraptor a number of times in the product details section, including when they refer to the evidence of feathers for the three dromaeosaurids specifically, mentioning quills have been found on the arms of Velociraptor.  They must actually be referring to the quill knobs.  This part about the "quills" doesn't have any relation to Deinonychus specifically though, which makes me think the figure is intended to be Velociraptor...

However, I've done some Google searching, and I think that Schleich figure was based on the design of the Pathfinder Battles Deinonychus model, seen here: http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lh9s&page=1?Deeper-into-the-Dungeon

That post with the Pathfinder figure is from 2015, while the Schleich figure was released in 2017...

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Shonisaurus

Quote from: Sim on August 16, 2017, 03:40:04 PM
Why call that figure a "feathered Velociraptor"?  Schleich is just calling it "Velociraptor", and almost all of Schleich's previous Velociraptor figures had feathers, the one in the 3-figure set even had more feathers than this new one.  Additionally, Velociraptor is a dinosaur known to have feathers in life, so putting "feathered" before it places undue emphasis on a normal part of the animal.  Dromaeosaurids were feathered like birds in life, this Schleich Velociraptor on the other hand is mostly featherless with a feather distribution that doesn't make sense and looks terrible.  So calling the Schleich figure "feathered" feels like treating its feathering as much better than it really is.  That Schleich figure doesn't even have a head that looks like the head of Velociraptor, so seeing it called a "feathered Velociraptor" (which to me suggests trying to seriously represent Velociraptor) makes me think a company can make such an awful figure that doesn't even look like the animal it's representing, and people will still find it an acceptable representation.

Velociraptor skeleton:

Schleich's new Velociraptor figure:


My intention as you know is not to offend anyone. I called it feathered because it has feathers. I do not think he's such a bad figure as his background in the same company.

Like everyone who knows me from the forum, I never try to offend anyone, on the contrary, I apologize. I simply want to show my opinion, but what is said, if someone feels offended do not take it for me. I'm just a simple collector, who likes the world of dinosaurs and prehistoric animals just wanted to show my opinion.

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Jose S.M.

Im on Mobile so the images are small and blurry for me due to my horrible connection, but the Oviraptor looks decent I think, and the Psittacosaurus has quills and look good too, I don't know about the anatomy of Dinogorgon so can't comment. Tawa was as expected, not that good

Patrx

 I've added the new images to the first post  :)

ZoPteryx

Quote from: RolandEden on August 24, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
I just left this:...http://www.maki.dk/products/schleich.aspx

Overall, not bad.  The Psittacosaurus, Tawa, and Oviraptor don't look half bad.  Dinogorgon is rather shrink wrapped, but okay.  Triceratops is sort of bland.  I feel like the two ceratopsians are based on common Wikipedia images.

Quote from: Patrx on August 24, 2017, 08:36:14 PM
I've added the new images to the first post  :)

I'll add them here as well so people don't have to flip back and forth.  ;)












Faelrin

Color me surprised. That Oviraptor looks pretty decent. I'll for sure pick up that Dinogorgon too, although I was hoping for an articulated jaw on it. I like the Triceratops as well. Maybe they're slowly heading in the right direction?
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Libraraptor

#73
 :o Dinogorgon. Thumbs up. Instant buy. Psittacosaurus: yes! Oviraptor: very cool! Tawa, well, hm, okay, yes.
I did not expect this, but I ike being surprised this way. Doesn´t change their cruel marketing, but decent figures are decent figures. And with good figures they don´t need to buy good reviews on amazon anymore. Just as Faelrin said,
Maybe they´re slowly moving in the right direction? Like CollectA a few years ago?
It would be cool to buy a great prehistoric figure in an average German toy shop again.

Halichoeres

This is a pleasant surprise, especially on the heels of the godawful Acrocanthosaurus. The Psittacosaurus reminds me of the Transformers one. Bad posture, and obviously missed the memo on coloration, but it's half-decent. The Dinogorgon is decent too, seems to have the paint job of the old JP Lycaenops. The Tawa appears inspired by this piece by Siddhartha Ahearne:



I could have done without the little tufts.

The Oviraptor has about 90% of the feathers it ought to have, and they look a lot more like feathers than those on their 2017 dromaeosaurs. Triceratops is meh.

Overall, pretty good crop by Schleich standards. I'll probably only get the Dinogorgon and the Tawa, and unlike with the Barapasaurus, I won't be embarrassed to have them on the shelf.
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Lanthanotus

Now, that is a surprise.... seems Schleich found a talented sculptor for at least some of their prehistoric figures. I like the Dinogorgon best, though some lips would have been nice, but hey, I am an anachronist, so having it look like stepping out of a Burian painting is fine for me....

The oviraptor and psittacosaurus are great sculpts from the looks of it, but both paint jobs are just bleh! ... well, that can be helped in the end...

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It would be cool to buy a great prehistoric figure in an average German toy shop again.

I totally agree on this

Carnosaur

So far i really like the dinogorgon.
But that Psittacosaurus looks awesome. if the production model looks that good its a insta buy for me :)

suspsy

The Dinogorgon, the Psittacosaurus, and the Oviraptor look genuinely good. I am impressed.
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Reptilia

#78
Tawa: they basically copied from the image I've put in my predictions, and incidentally is the only "standard Schleich" of the batch. Ugly, shrink-wrapped as hell with blatantly oversized feet.

Triceratops: very nice, elegant walking pose, colour scheme is sober but the red bits avoid it to be boring, the sculpt is spot on.

Oviraptor: can't get over how good this one is, considering the previous attempts to a feathered dinosaur made by Schleich. Hands down the best Oviraptor figure available. Could have been a bit more beefier in the neck, with a thicker feathering, but still a pretty nice model overall.

Dinogorgon: finally a decent gorgonopsid figure! I like the dog-like pose they choose, it was the one I was concerned the most because I was quite sure it would have turned out a total cartoon but no, it is very cool. Great job.

Psittacosaurus: another positive surprise. People now will sure say that the animal was brown, we have fossils to prove it, but there were a lot of species of Psittacosaurus, so we don't know if others may have been of different colours. Sculpt-wise it is incredibily accurate, the quills look very well done and I really like the quadrupedal stance. I think there's no contest with the WS version released last year, here the detail looks fantastic.

Schleich made a huge step forward with this new stuff, given how widespread their models are I think it'll be very easy to stumble upon them in a shop and give in to temptation. Now I'm quite interested to see how people that usually bash the company will react to the new reveals, except for the Tawa all the rest is on par with Collecta or Papo stuff.

Irritation

I like them.
The
Dinogorgon and the Tawa, I don't know why they don't have movable jaws, but I might get them anyways. Oviraptor looks promising as well as the triceratops. Not sure if I'm going to get the Psittacosaurus or the Therizinosaurus.

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