JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[ITdactyl]

You're right.

We'll, the movie launches in 363 days.
So far, we've been given a 3d render of Sergey Krasovskiy's art* 

and an official movie poster with a mosquito on what seems to be dinosaur skin with some primitive "feathers".

*Just poking fun at all the twitter reactions stating the Moros press release image was copied from Sergey's art.

As childish as it sounds, I can't wait to hear the public reactions once the 5 minute preview hits IMAX on the 25th.  I kinda feel bad it's not available in my country, but I'm sure the internet will shove it in my face anyway.

[HD-man]

Adding feathers but ignoring geographic range*... hmm... reminds me of the mildly hot pyroclastic flow in the last film.

@ITdactyl Seems weird for Trevorrow et al. to throw so many non-contemporary species together in the prologue after all that talk about getting Brusatte as their new dino advisor & making their new Dominion dinos more accurate ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LvahkhNK7A ). Why not just do the prologue with contemporary species? Why not 2 T.rex fighting each other? Why not Anzu instead of Oviraptor, Alamosaurus instead of Dreadnoughtus, Triceratops instead of Nasutoceratops, etc?

So we got another reveal or leak and uh disappointment.

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So if anyone remembers the leaked heads in Malta they are supposed to be Deinonychus unfortunately. Even if these are InGen assets (which is likely due to their inclusion on the DPG site poster and lack of feathers), these are still inaccurate, and extremely redundant considering JP raptors where based on Deinonychus. Plus the color schemes are too similar to TLW males and JPIII females. This will confuse the public further unless there is some real explanation for this (which I doubt), especially as the public won't know the difference when thinking Blue was the last of her kind too.



Edit: After reading some plot leaks (assuming they are legit) it seems to make sense why these are here. But not the biggest fan of this direction I guess. Could have been done better.

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@Faelrin At least their hands aren't pronated?🤷Seems weird that this is the Deinonychus design they go with after all that talk about getting Brusatte as their new dino advisor & making their new Dominion dinos more accurate. As a basis for comparison, here are some more accurate (& better looking) Deinonychus designs:
-This one's by Willoughby: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rFRGSTJI3CQ/TvibD0PiLrI/AAAAAAAAAKY/kg7a5YXXEtU/s1600/deinonychus_rpr.jpg
-This one's by Bonadonna: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91yMp1Gb9RL.jpg

[Faelrin]

H @HD-man

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Yeah I would have much preferred a paleo-accurate Hell Creek scenario. I mean even the location's (the island of Socotra) flora is anachronistic, having evolved during the Cenozoic (but eh I guess I kind of why they got prehistoric vibes from it. In a way it is its own lost world of sorts). Reading through the various articles posted, it seems like these were just picked because they liked them (such as Moros and Dreadnoughtus). Obviously some of it is to set up plot, and I'm guessing some of it is something to tide fans over with, since the film is still a whole other year away.

Also take the name of the new dromaeosaurid pack/squad with a grain of salt, and see the edit in my previous post. There's speculation going around now that it might not be called that. Time will tell. Nothing has been officially confirmed, but well except this render I guess used for a puzzle so far. But yeah other then being direct retcons/recreated old Sorna stock, it perplexes why they didn't add feathers unless they really just didn't want to take away from the new Pyroraptor.

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[ITdactyl]

H @HD-man , I may be misremembering (pls. correct me if I'm wrong) but I thought David Krentz once lamented that scientific advice tends to be ignored or meets immense pushback in hollywood productions.  I mean, there are a lot of podcasts out there where paleontologists lament being misquoted or ignored in Dinosaur documentaries, what more a popcorn flick.  I have no proof of course, but I'm inclined to think Brusatte would just give advice when asked. Whether the advice is heeded or not is another matter entirely.

To be honest, I'm already impressed with all the changes that they've inserted (that we know of). I sincerely doubt they could have done more.

If we take Trevorrow's interview (with Empire), Dreadnoughtus and Moros were picked because they're relatively new discoveries. Quetz was picked because they wanted something bigger than Pteranodon. Oviraptor was picked to appeal to accuracy nerds (he did not state exactly how).  What I get from the interview is that they did a bit of research on the appearance and specs of each species, but did not account for other details like ecological or chronological contemporaries.

My last point I'm putting in spoilers because the information is mostly from leaks.

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It seems like they're handling the Jurassic World films like Bay did with Transformers.  They write roles for the robots first, and then just tack a name on afterwards. For transformers, we had "yellow car", "red truck", "tank", "a 40ft tall robot", "that jet" etc. Of course fans were upset when the name Devastator was tacked onto a tank, when that name is known to fans as the combined form of 5 different robots.  Considering the Dominion production uses nicknames like "giant", "speed", "pyro", "slasher", "nessie" - it's no longer surprising that species names are just tacked on after. 

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[Dynomikegojira]

I hate to be that guy but I'm honestly annoyed about the total inaccuracies that have been described which sounds like a Land Before Time reboot.

[Gwangi]

When Marty McFly plays "Jonny B. Goode" in Back to the Future on a Gibson ES-345, does anyone care that that guitar wouldn't have been released for another 3 years after that scene takes place? Guitar people might, but no one else does, and so it is the same thing with regards to the dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park/World franchise. I would prefer it if the right dinosaurs were interacting with each other in this flashback scene, but I understand why they aren't. They want to showcase specific dinosaurs for a wow factor, and those dinosaurs probably tie into the story too somehow.

[Dynomikegojira]

My response to that is to do a time montage from Triassic to the Cretaceous showing the various dinosaur living at different times and places. But I accept it since I don't really have a choice.

[Brocc21]

When Marty McFly plays "Jonny B. Goode" in Back to the Future on a Gibson ES-345, does anyone care that that guitar wouldn't have been released for another 3 years after that scene takes place? Guitar people might, but no one else does, and so it is the same thing with regards to the dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park/World franchise. I would prefer it if the right dinosaurs were interacting with each other in this flashback scene, but I understand why they aren't. They want to showcase specific dinosaurs for a wow factor, and those dinosaurs probably tie into the story too somehow.

Couldn't agree more. I think a lot of people in the Paleo community forget that our science doesn't really effect the broader scope of things in the real world. Spinosaurus had a tail fin, that's really interesting. But it doesn't help get the bills paid if you know what I mean. A lot of the people going to see the new Jurassic Park wont be dino nerds like us. Just people who wanna see a cool movie or some parents who want to give the kids something to do for 2 hours. And if some dinosaurs not being in the correct time zones in a made up film universe is a big deal for you, I think your just looking a little to into it.

[HD-man]

When Marty McFly plays "Jonny B. Goode" in Back to the Future on a Gibson ES-345, does anyone care that that guitar wouldn't have been released for another 3 years after that scene takes place? Guitar people might, but no one else does, and so it is the same thing with regards to the dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park/World franchise. I would prefer it if the right dinosaurs were interacting with each other in this flashback scene, but I understand why they aren't. They want to showcase specific dinosaurs for a wow factor, and those dinosaurs probably tie into the story too somehow.

To be fair, Back to the Future isn't a guitar movie, but Dominion IS (allegedly) a dino movie. Plus, as previously mentioned, there was a lot of talk from Trevorrow et al. about getting Brusatte as their new dino advisor & making their new Dominion dinos more accurate, yet the part of Dominion in which paleo accuracy is most important is gonna ignore it for no good reason (I.e. There are plenty of equally-impressive & actually-contemporary species that have also never been seen in a JP/JW movie & can fill the same roles). I guess @ITdactyl was right to compare Trevorrow's JW movies to Bay's Transformers movies.

My last point I'm putting in spoilers because the information is mostly from leaks.

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It seems like they're handling the Jurassic World films like Bay did with Transformers.  They write roles for the robots first, and then just tack a name on afterwards. For transformers, we had "yellow car", "red truck", "tank", "a 40ft tall robot", "that jet" etc. Of course fans were upset when the name Devastator was tacked onto a tank, when that name is known to fans as the combined form of 5 different robots.  Considering the Dominion production uses nicknames like "giant", "speed", "pyro", "slasher", "nessie" - it's no longer surprising that species names are just tacked on after. 

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[Dynomikegojira]

When Marty McFly plays "Jonny B. Goode" in Back to the Future on a Gibson ES-345, does anyone care that that guitar wouldn't have been released for another 3 years after that scene takes place? Guitar people might, but no one else does, and so it is the same thing with regards to the dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park/World franchise. I would prefer it if the right dinosaurs were interacting with each other in this flashback scene, but I understand why they aren't. They want to showcase specific dinosaurs for a wow factor, and those dinosaurs probably tie into the story too somehow.

Couldn't agree more. I think a lot of people in the Paleo community forget that our science doesn't really effect the broader scope of things in the real world. Spinosaurus had a tail fin, that's really interesting. But it doesn't help get the bills paid if you know what I mean. A lot of the people going to see the new Jurassic Park wont be dino nerds like us. Just people who wanna see a cool movie or some parents who want to give the kids something to do for 2 hours. And if some dinosaurs not being in the correct time zones in a made up film universe is a big deal for you, I think your just looking a little to into it.

Realistically how can you justify Moros and Tyrannosaurus coexisting at the same time from what this prologue sounds like when Moros or a close relative lead to the existence of Tyrannosaurus.

[Mellow Stego]

We should remember that these movies aren't documentaries. Most people who watch this movie won't even care about that stuff. They just want to watch a fun movie with dinosaurs and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also let's not forget the actual docs like Walking with Dinosaurs even had dinosaurs in the wrong times and locations.

[Dynomikegojira]

WWD didn't go insane about it as much as this prologue is doing which practically turn it into a Land Before Time world and that's not the point of Jurassic Park. They've take away what was unique about having multiple species coexisting for the first time because of human technology. This isn't just a logic problems but it's contrary to the franchise and I'm not gonna be convinced otherwise sure the general audience may not care but that doesn't give the excuse to do whatever the hell they want.

[Faelrin]

The anachronism is literally explained by the director.

We chose the ones that seem cool, but it's a combination of also knowing that if we got to make more than one movie, that we wanted to keep certain species in the tank to really hold back for scientists and fans who follow this stuff.

https://www.slashfilm.com/jurassic-world-dominion-director-interview/

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At least we have more evidence the Oviraptor and Tyrannosaurus (which is likely the one depicted in the poster) have feathers here. As to what extent and if they were done correctly (again assuming the animal on the poster is the T. rex, well the short and sparse filaments seems pretty plausible with the current understanding, scales probably being too big aside) we'll still have to wait and see. Honestly it's kind of sad the Giganotosaurus is demoted to a villain to fight against the T. rex (past and present) and nothing better (possibly). Just like the poor Spinosaurus all over again. All the same though at least it seems they are taking care to be careful with the T. rex, that, character wise has been there since the start. Granted though I'm also wondering how they'll handle Blue who has been a star since the first Jurassic World film.

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Anyways I think I'll probably give this a go, even though I don't really have much interest in this Fast and Furious movie it will be attached too, but it wouldn't hurt to go and see it with family who are, so we both get something out of it I guess. And I guess it gives me a chance to report back on how the accuracy was handled (anachronism aside), assuming it isn't put up online prior to me going to see it. Cases are really down in my state now+ vaccinations keep going up, and my family has all been fully vaccinated now as well.

[Dynomikegojira]

I understand perfectly my problem is that's it's stupid and Colin Treverow should know otherwise they'll say that the Woolly Mammoths and sabertoothed cats coexisted too. Thinking about this does make me want a live action Primal film.

[HD-man]

The anachronism is literally explained by the director.

We chose the ones that seem cool, but it's a combination of also knowing that if we got to make more than one movie, that we wanted to keep certain species in the tank to really hold back for scientists and fans who follow this stuff.

https://www.slashfilm.com/jurassic-world-dominion-director-interview/

Like I said, no good reason.

[Gwangi]

To be fair, Back to the Future isn't a guitar movie, but Dominion IS (allegedly) a dino movie. Plus, as previously mentioned, there was a lot of talk from Trevorrow et al. about getting Brusatte as their new dino advisor & making their new Dominion dinos more accurate, yet the part of Dominion in which paleo accuracy is most important is gonna ignore it for no good reason (I.e. There are plenty of equally-impressive & actually-contemporary species that have also never been seen in a JP/JW movie & can fill the same roles). I guess @ITdactyl was right to compare Trevorrow's JW movies to Bay's Transformers movies.

I guess that's a fair point, but it seems like you're also missing the main point I'm trying to make. The fact that the guitar is in the wrong time period is inconsequential, 99% of moviegoers are not aware of this inaccuracy and don't care. And so it is with the Jurassic movies. We're 5 movies into the franchise and for each one of these movies that comes out people have these high expectations and then get let down. If you didn't like the last 2-3-4 movies then what are you even doing in the thread? Not you specifically, I'm speaking generally. The fool me once rule should apply at this point. And it really should be common knowledge by now that the presence of a good advisor makes little difference in the end, this is all old and tired territory. Have people learned nothing? Historical films, often about recent events where people that were literally there are still alive, will fudge reality to fit their narrative. Folks should just accept the films as they are, and by that I mean that if they don't like them just don't even bother associating with them. I don't like the Transformers movies, I watched the first one and disliked it and haven't watched a single once since nor bothered to keep up with the press about them, I don't see why people follow the Jurassic movies knowing full well what the end result will be.

[thedeadlymoose]

All I want from a Jurassic World movie is accurate depictions of dinosaurs (combined with the classic versions), specifically to make those depictions mainstream.

Outside of communities like these, those aesthetics are at best ignored, and more usually mocked. I want more mainstream beautiful paleoart.

So because of that, I'm perfectly okay with time-based inaccuracy.

(I also do think "cool factor" of recent and/or striking-looking species IS a good reason, for movies as over the top as Jurassic World franchise, though I understand reasonable people can and will disagree.)

[Dynomikegojira]

I think a Tyrannosaurus fighting a Triceratops or a Edmontosaurus would be enough entertainment to justify both sides and accurate yet entertaining scenario. This is just lazy if they wanted to do a Land Before Time movie then make a Land Before Time movie but this is Jurassic film that's supposed to introduce people to accurate dinosaurs it's pretty moot when you mix the eras up which like I said before take away from what's unique about Jurassic Park which was that these various species separated by time and place all now coexist because of human technology. This is bad and could lead to worse things in the future.

[Takama]

From what We know so far, I still Wish the Gas Scene towards the end of Fallen Kingdom ended it all for the Franchise. 

Its Clear That the Word ACURACY is just a Buz word to these Hollywood rich folk

[Appalachiosaurus]

When Marty McFly plays "Jonny B. Goode" in Back to the Future on a Gibson ES-345, does anyone care that that guitar wouldn't have been released for another 3 years after that scene takes place? Guitar people might, but no one else does, and so it is the same thing with regards to the dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park/World franchise. I would prefer it if the right dinosaurs were interacting with each other in this flashback scene, but I understand why they aren't. They want to showcase specific dinosaurs for a wow factor, and those dinosaurs probably tie into the story too somehow.

To be fair, Back to the Future isn't a guitar movie, but Dominion IS (allegedly) a dino movie. Plus, as previously mentioned, there was a lot of talk from Trevorrow et al. about getting Brusatte as their new dino advisor & making their new Dominion dinos more accurate, yet the part of Dominion in which paleo accuracy is most important is gonna ignore it for no good reason (I.e. There are plenty of equally-impressive & actually-contemporary species that have also never been seen in a JP/JW movie & can fill the same roles). I guess @ITdactyl was right to compare Trevorrow's JW movies to Bay's Transformers movies.

Exactly. Car fans would be pissed if a racing movie set during the 40s had an electric Tesla as the big villain the Beetle has to face. I don't see how Paleontologists rolling their eyes that the first official look at a movie the Director spent a year insisting was going to be accurate features a time travelling Giganotosaurus.

Like, I want to remind everyone here that excuses that "it's a Holllywood movie, it's not meant to be accurate" falls through when that's literally what Collin Trevarrow is selling it as: