JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[Faelrin]

Aye yep. Some is definitely on the JP reddit already, and getting shared around on Instagram, and I'm sure elsewhere. I uh already took a look over on reddit there, and wow I am impressed/enjoyed what I saw. Despite my earlier gripes about the anachronism/accuracy, I must say I am getting excited about seeing this now, in hopefully far better quality, be it online, or at the theater itself.

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Particularly after catching a glimpse of the Dreadnoughtus and Quetzalcoatlus (I like the sounds for it too). Although I'm still left wondering how 5 minutes is enough time for all the species revealed, plus the Giganotosaurus and T. rex fight. The scene with the T. rex in modern day causing terror on a drive in theater, was already uploaded several times, and was under a minute, which also includes the small trailer for Dominion itself in that time. So that leaves like 4 minutes for everything else, including the fight scene which I would expect a whole minute for at least.

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Anyways updated species left for this thing based on what articles, and these leaked pics/clips have shown so far:

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Ankylosaurus
Dreadnoughtus
Giganotosaurus
Iguanodon
Moros
Nasutoceratops
Oviraptor
Pteranodon
Quetzalcoatlus
Tyrannosaurus

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[Shadowknight1]

I don't see why they wouldn't keep the basic design, like it or not she's a character.  It would be like hiring a different actor to play a part. 

Little more put off by the dragon look of the Giga but some exec wanted it to look totally different and well...there it is.

I mean, Rexy wouldn't really be all that far off from individual variation of an animal, would she?  We tend to say "They have to look like this because the fossil record says so", but still no accounting for individual specimens not growing the same way.

[ITdactyl]

I initially thought only a super-eager member of the press or cinema crew could've leaked those pics/clips; under the assumption they must have come from one of the press previews.

'Forgot that other countries/theaters had an earlier IMAX premiere for F9.  There you go: spoilers for the early preview of a movie that won't screen until a year from now.

I'm hoping the hollywood types would notice the positive response to the [relatively] more accurate dinosaurs, and that this would spark better films in the future.

[Faelrin]

I am up way too late and caught another vid.

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And finally I get to see (some of) the fight scene, which to add to my previous post, was about a minute long like I guessed (and yeah pretty much completely spoiled by articles already), probably longer. Sadly I was wrong about thinking the new/past T. rex having lips based on the earlier leaked pic. Literally just the JW T. rex with some filaments lol (to what extent I don't know because the lighting was bad). Oh well, not a huge deal. The Giganotosaurus looks awesome (also lipless) and very much looks like the leaked animatronic pic at a glance. I also like the Indominus rex? sounds they used (or something similar) for the Giganotosaurus since the Indominus rex had DNA from it. Also yet another T. rex getting killed and thrown around by its neck. Hmm... Where have I seen that before?

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[ITdactyl]

  Yes you are.

It's only afternoon here, so I have an excuse.

'Seems our South American Youtuber friends split the 5 minute preview into shorter clips (for hits and likes?  ). Not that I'm complaining.   Again, for those who are trying to avoid spoilers, Social Media's bursting with them right now.

[Rain]

I'm very disappointed by the scene from an accuracy standpoint, Trevorrow was really exaggerating. That said, I did like the present day scene.

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The footage isn't the best but just some things I noticed.
- Nasutoceratops has elephant feet
- Oviraptor is an egg thief
- Oviraptor is missing it's "wings"
- The rex is definitely just the JP rex with feathers.
Also, the giga looked a lot like the vitae one.

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[Faelrin]

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Well color me disappointed. No wings, and broken wrists again? So the claim Trevorrow made about scientific accuracy goes out the window here (nevermind the anachronism, same JW T. rex with feathers, etc). If you can't go the whole way, then don't claim there will be scientific accuracy, period. Having feathers only isn't enough.

At this point only the Moros seems to be on point. Maybe the Quetzalcoatlus and Dreadnoughtus as well. The Giganotosaurus isn't too off either, but the huge scutes are probably unlikely. I'll reserve judgement for the others until I see them but this almost certainly going to be the same fate for the Pyroraptor, which could be gleaned from leaked toys. Edit: Whole thing was put on instagram. So the recording quality was terrible, but I still watched it. Not sure if seeing this in the theater is really all that worth it now. Not that impressed/highly disappointed with the lack of accuracy for the designs, never mind the anachronism.

Edit 2: Some positives though:
Dreadnoughtus, Quetzalcoatlus (can't tell if it has pycnofibers or not, but not a deal breaker if it doesn't due to its size), and Moros all look pretty good. Maybe the Pteranodon and Ankylosaurus too? I can't tell if it is the same old models from all this low quality footage for those two, or if they were updated too. The Nasutoceratops and T. rex (exception of the feathers) are essentially the same however. Surely the Giganotosaurus will be as well. It's good the fight scene is straight to the point, and not overly drawn out (not that there is much time to do so), even if it was done nearly the same as the Spinosaurus fight in JPIII. Sound design is great, particularly for the Quetzalcoatlus and Giganotosaurus (got those sweet I. rex sounds back, or something similar). The scene with the T. rex in present day at the drive-in theater is awesome as well and it looks like they tried to give her back her old look or coloring, and while that may be inconsistent with the earlier JW films, I much prefer the original design. I wish we got a better look at, and seen more of that Iguanodon though. I hope it shows up in the final film. One of my favorite dinosaurs after all. I do like how the Giganotosaurus just roars at it, and it just walks away, after its cleaning time with little Moros is interrupted, like it is mildly annoyed, and not threatened at all.

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Edit 3: So final species list for this sequence (and overview of accuracy, and listed in order of appearance):

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Dreadnoughtus (looks fully plausible. Can't tell if the feet are accurate or not, but possibly? Edit: Has Brachiosaurus sounds)
Quetzalcoatlus (looks great, may be missing pycnofibers, neck may be too short? Edit: It did indeed have pycnofibers!)
Ankylosaurus (could be the same old model, can't tell; Edit: It is the same old model)
Pteranodon (could also be the same old model, can't tell here either. Edit: Seems to be the old model, but with new colorations, with one being similar to TLW design)
Oviraptor (obviously the biggest disappointment for me, no wings, and broken/pronated wrists. Eating eggs too but it being an omnivore it might not be out of the question entirely, so I'm more lenient on that)
Nasutoceratops (the same as seen in BaBR, likely in Dominion as well, so same elephant feet are here)
Moros (one of the best as far as accuracy goes in the entire franchise)
Iguanodon (has the wrong wrist orientation. Seems on the small side? Barely shown though; Edit: Coloration is similar to what we see on the classic WWD one with darker brown? stripes alternating with lighter stripes, on top of a brown or golden body coloration)
Giganotosaurus (pretty much the same as the animatronic that was leaked, and other then being a bit oversized and those huge scutes it has, it's mostly good. Head shape is mostly using the updated one, arms may be a bit oversized, like on the T. rex. Some wrist pronation here and there? Edit: Coloration has darker jagged body stripes, with lighter belly or body coloration).
Tyrannosaurus (has feathers, otherwise the same old JW T. rex design)

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[bone crusher]

Saw the leaked fight scene, this is just ridiculous how fast Giga kills the rex by biting on his neck and spins it around. In no way can Giga's relatively much weaker jaws and neck muscle be that powerful to spin a 9 ton t rex around much less kills it outright. A t rex with its bone crushing bite and much more stronger neck muscle could possibly execute that but not a Giga, unless this Rexy ancestor was already sickly and close to her life span for it to be overpowered like such.

[PrimevalRaptor]

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Man I hate the trend of slapping osteoderms on theropods, there's literally no evidence for it and you don't need them to make a Giganotosaurus look cooler. Heck, if you REALLY want it, take a rauisuchid like Fasolasuchus or something.
The Quetzalcoatlus looks waaaay better than JWs other attempts at pterosaurs at least, after seeing the actual clip it really looks good. Lack of wings on the Oviraptor and keeping up the egg thief trope is disappointing but at least it's otherwise feathered.

Don't care much about the Giga/T.rex fight but I wonder if this will result in a similar thing to what happened to Spinosaurus after JP3.

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[Takama]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GvqTJC8RM4 

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Your Welcome to see it before the Studio takes it down

[suspsy]

I didn't think it was possible to loathe this franchise even more than I already did, but Trevorrow has succeeded in adding more to the dreck pile. What talent.

[Kapitaenosavrvs]

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Puh. It's worse than i thought. Too bad, because the overall effects are looking really really good. I have to laugh when thinking of the words that were dropped regarding this particular scenes during the Interview with C. Trevorrow. I really hope this Movie delivers, what Fans want. It was too good to be true

Of course, this is just a Franchise that makes Movies for Everyone. Mostly i am sad about this because of the impact and Power this Franchise has. I hope that does not sound unnecessary negative. I am just feeling the same as @suspy

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[Jose S.M.]

I don't hate the franchise, although I haven't truly enjoyed one of the films since jp 3, and I don't like to spread negativity often but how can a director talk so affirmatively about accuracy on his film while having a collage of time periods and geography in that supposedly accurate opening scene. Several million years separate most of the animals in the scenes and they come from south American, north America and Asia. It's really a mess that wouldn't bother me so much if they hadn't highlight  their new accurate approach.

[Dynomikegojira]

Glad others are speaking out about the same issues I had with the idea of the prologue and having seen it as beautifully rendered it was I still stand by my opinion that this goes against the very nature of what made the original Jurassic Park so great that various species coexist for the first time in history because of human technology the only way possible for Tyrannosaurus to coexist with Allosaurus or Spinosaurus but now that's been completely thrown out the window for a Land Before Time fantasy land. Yes it's a movie and the general audience don't care as much but doesn't give them the excuse to throw reality out especially when the original film inspired alot of our current generation of paleontologists including some of us.

[suspsy]

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It's worse than a historical film in which Reinhard Heydrich is assassinated by a trio of Hittites in a chariot painted with #metoo hashtags. Why not just toss in a Dimetrodon, a woolly mammoth, and a Neanderthal while they're at it?

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[irimali]

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It's worse than a historical film in which Reinhard Heydrich is assassinated by a trio of Hittites in a chariot painted with #metoo hashtags. Why not just toss in a Dimetrodon, a woolly mammoth, and a Neanderthal while they're at it?

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Haha!  You beat me to it.  I was just thinking it would be like a movie with Abe Lincoln and Cleopatra watching a livestream of the moon landing in the ballroom of the Titanic

[ITdactyl]

Thing is, the film is a done deal. Trevorrow has already screened it for select people. It's now a love it or hate it scenario.
Entertaining wishful thinking that the director and producers react to complaints after all the major cities have seen the preview, would they adjust/reshoot scenes? I know there's precedent for this; some DC films being prime examples.
Realistically, aside from paleo-enthusiasts who can spot errors per frame, the response to the leaks has been generally positive. So how do you get the attention of the captain when everyone else is enjoying the cruise and don't care about the iceberg?

[Mellow Stego]

Not trying to be a contrarian here but I actually enjoyed the scene. I can forgive the inaccuracies as long as the movie is fun. That's all I'm looking for.

Besides I just figure that in this in-universe that's just how dinosaurs looked and lived.

[irimali]

I feel kind of mean piling on, but the filmmakers have made it clear several movies ago that they're not too concerned what us dino-nerds think anyways.  Since we're on the subject of accuracy in the late cretaceous(middle cretaceous?) flashback scene-the environment they filmed in doesn't really work for most of the animals.  They shot background plates on the island of Socotra which is mostly desert.  And has some very unique flora.  There's some palm trees along the rivers which would a be good backdrop for oviraptor.  A lot of the other flora is endemic and doesn't look like the plants we know from T-rex's environment, or from cretaceous south america.

For the record, I'm not mad or even disappointed.  I was 11 when Jurassic Park came out in theaters, and I'd already read the book a couple of times.  It was the most excited I ever got for a movie.  The original had a few inaccuracies and a few ridiculous moments.  Sequels do everything bigger. 

https://youtu.be/nerv5YEiJok

I'm curious to see how well they'll handle the returning characters.  Dr. Grant and Dr. Sattler were a type of hero I haven't seen in a big budget action movie for a while.  Regular people put in a very unlikely situation they're not at all prepared for, frightened and vulnerable in the moments when most real people would be.  They made everything else in the movie feel more real.  Owen and Claire don't do that, for me at least.     

[ITdactyl]

Not trying to be a contrarian here but I actually enjoyed the scene. I can forgive the inaccuracies as long as the movie is fun.

No explanations needed. I do have my complaints (tired inaccuracies aside, the JP3 repeat is ugh) but I did give off a little SQUEAL in that short scene that looked like the hopping Rhamphorhyncus of WWD.  My excitement must've been too obvious with my spam in the first few minutes of the leak (my sincere apologies to those who were peeved), but I really did enjoy that preview despite knowing everything that's wrong with it.

@irimali , I agree with your last point. I really wanted the franchise to remain a "regular people trying to contain/survive a scientific disaster" instead of the "action hero movie" that Owen brought along.  My favorite characters were the Ray Arnolds and Lowery Cruthers of the story though.